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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 07-01-2008, 10:33 PM Thread Starter
 
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What reel?

Totally new to the spey, although I have read and viewed alot of material with a little practice.
I will be using it totally for the salt for stripers, where I do alot of stripping, so I have decided on the skagit style. My question is, will a standard size reel , such as a Lamson 3.5 or similar reel hold an 8wt. skagit line with the shooting line and backing? I need a little help here. I am sure this has been asked before. Also, will the level section of an old 4wt work for the shooting line on the 8wt skagit? Any other suggestions for the shooting line?
Bear with me guys.
BTW, it is my pleasure to meet you, and hopefully learn from you gents.
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A Lamson Radius 4 or Velocity 4 will hold an 8wt skagit line with 150+yds 30# Dacron backing.

In my mind your 4wt running line will work. From .024 to .038 seems to be the diameters of the popular running lines I sell.

Airflo Ridge Running line in 30# and Monic .030 are my best sellers.

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The Lamson you have might be a tad small for what you are talking about doing. A good inexpensive reel that I use for saltwater angling here in Hawaii and steelheading in the NW is an Orvis Battenkill 10/11 Disc. I own three of these reels and love them. It has the capacity you need and can be had very inexpenisvely on the used market. This reel is 3 3/4" in diameter. The Battenkill spey if you can find it, is a little bigger at 4" in diameter. As for an inexpensive reel that is still in production, I would recommend the Teton Tioga 12. This is a great reel for the money, about $190. You can get the Battenkill 10/11s for probably 50-75 dollars.
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Eng5,

I have noticed that you want to use a reel in salt water environment.

There is one manufacturer which has a few reels models ( $ 400 - 550 ) which would perfect for you, extremely reliable with best fully sealed, very smooth drag system on the market.
There have been plenty positive comments written about the reels on this board and there are perfect for both salt and spey fishing with ample amount of line/backing capacity.
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Eng5, here's what I got, judge for yourself if it's enough-
-I have a 7/8 Powerspey with 200 yds of 30 lb backing on my Waterworks FC 3.5. 'Course the Powerspey is bulkier than a Shooting head too-
-a 600 Gr Skagit with 300 yd 30# on my Litespeed 4 and a spare spool for same with a 9/10 Powerspey and 300 yd 30#, both with room to spare-
-My Velocity 4 has 200 yds of 30# under a 450 Skagit with lots of spool showing, and my Radius 4s hold about the same, a bit less backing and smaller lines (windcutter, AFS), which I use for my 6wt spey rods.
I wouldn't suggest using a 3.5 size in any model but the Waterworks FC as you can tell from above, and even then the 4 would probably be better.

If you hook fish that take out that much line, you are one lucky guy! (and you'll need a bigger reel.) I'm sure there's plenty of good reels under other brands, I just happen to be a conical drag freak, and that's personal choice. I likes my wimmens busty too. And that, my friend, is the Way of the Spaz.

I was talking to the owner of Emerald Angler, Dave, last week and he told me he uses a Litespeed 4 for Albacore, he uses 400+ yds of gelspun and he's able to get a 12 wt shooting head line on it.
Hope this helps, and tight lines!

afterthought-shop the shooting line carefully and make sure it's strong enough. That 4wt running line may only be 10 or 12# test!

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afterthought-shop the shooting line carefully and make sure it's strong enough. That 4wt running line may only be 10 or 12# test!
I'm not aware of any flyline that tests that low. The rating of the line is in the core and the lightest core I'm aware of these days is 20# and most lines are more like 30#. I still use a twenty year old Cortland 333 L4F line for a lot of uses---including amberjack, crevalle jacks, dorado, dusky sharks, and similar fish. As long as your class tippet isn't significantly exceeding 10kg you should be fine with almost any level line out there.
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I'm not aware of any flyline that tests that low. The rating of the line is in the core and the lightest core I'm aware of these days is 20# and most lines are more like 30#. I still use a twenty year old Cortland 333 L4F line for a lot of uses---including amberjack, crevalle jacks, dorado, dusky sharks, and similar fish. As long as your class tippet isn't significantly exceeding 10kg you should be fine with almost any level line out there.
thanks for the info JR- I brought it up as a shot in the dark. Is there anywhere where core strengths are referenced or posted by manufacturers? I've always stayed away from lighter weight running lines for fear of losing my head, so to speak, to a hot fish, which has happened to me before.
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Don't we all wish. There may be something buried in a company website somewhere, but it's not normally shown in the catalogs nor in any of the literature that I get as a dealer. I find that they trumpet the core strength when it's out of the ordinary. Rio Leviathan lines, for instance, have a core strength of between 60 and 75 pounds. When I don't see the information in a readily available manner, I assume the strength is between 20 and 30 pounds. I know companies can only put so much information on a flyline box, but I do wish they'd make things like the core strength available in their catalogs and easily found on their websites.
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Sage 2580 Reel might be a good choice

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Totally new to the spey, although I have read and viewed alot of material with a little practice.
I will be using it totally for the salt for stripers, where I do alot of stripping, so I have decided on the skagit style. My question is, will a standard size reel , such as a Lamson 3.5 or similar reel hold an 8wt. skagit line with the shooting line and backing? I need a little help here. I am sure this has been asked before. Also, will the level section of an old 4wt work for the shooting line on the 8wt skagit? Any other suggestions for the shooting line?
Bear with me guys.
BTW, it is my pleasure to meet you, and hopefully learn from you gents.
Thanks.
I have one, and it is sealed and should work for years in salt and sand. I transferred the backing, Ridge Running line from a Loop 3W reel and have enough room for an AFS Head or Rio Skagit line. The reel is light and powerful. Changing spools is not easy for me. That isn't a problem as I only own one spool loaded with what I mention above.

Re running lines, in my old not skilled casting hands, the Ridge running lines mentioned by MJB work well.

However, I'm trying a couple of SA Sharkskin Running lines, and so far they outperform any running line I have ever tried. When they come on the market, they will probably be my running lines of choice. I have to use my striping/sunblocking gloves to keep from irritating my fingers, I strip the line in, which I should use to prevent more sun damage. Casting efforts that would shoot 2-3 rod lengths of running line with my AFS or Skagit heads, are now yielding 3-5 rod lengths of the Sharkskin running lines with basically no operator error.

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Don't we all wish. There may be something buried in a company website somewhere, but it's not normally shown in the catalogs nor in any of the literature that I get as a dealer. I find that they trumpet the core strength when it's out of the ordinary. Rio Leviathan lines, for instance, have a core strength of between 60 and 75 pounds. When I don't see the information in a readily available manner, I assume the strength is between 20 and 30 pounds. I know companies can only put so much information on a flyline box, but I do wish they'd make things like the core strength available in their catalogs and easily found on their websites.
all 2,3,4,5 wt lines are made with a 20 lb core everything larger is with a 30 lb core. that is why they dont make sinking lines in 3,4 and 6 sink below a 6 wt.
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all 2,3,4,5 wt lines are made with a 20 lb core everything larger is with a 30 lb core. that is why they dont make sinking lines in 3,4 and 6 sink below a 6 wt.
That's it? All manufacturers follow the same guidelines? You may be right, but I think it might be better to assume it that way, but understand that there are probably several exceptions. "Everything larger" is obviously not totally accurate as I pointed out by the Rio Leviathan example earlier. Monic has a running line that tests over 60lb, too. There are many other examples. Don't get me wrong, I think your summary is probably accurate in 95% of the cases, but I still wish we could know for sure in cases where it would be very important, like the example that started this thread.
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That's it? All manufacturers follow the same guidelines? You may be right, but I think it might be better to assume it that way, but understand that there are probably several exceptions. "Everything larger" is obviously not totally accurate as I pointed out by the Rio Leviathan example earlier. Monic has a running line that tests over 60lb, too. There are many other examples. Don't get me wrong, I think your summary is probably accurate in 95% of the cases, but I still wish we could know for sure in cases where it would be very important, like the example that started this thread.
That is what Hal Jannsen told me probably 10 years ago. Some lines have changed. But for the most part cortland Sa and rio make their lines that way in most cases. Monic uses spectra braid for their cores.
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that is why they dont make sinking lines in 3,4 and 6 sink below a 6 wt.
I'm fishing a type 6 RIO 4wt, been a great line.

eng5, your 4wt running line section will be around 40'-50' once you cut the head loose. A new one will be 90'-100' just something to consider when loading a spool with backing.

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I have a Litespeed 4 on which I have mounted a 650 grain RIO Skagit with a Ridge running line. I use SA 30 lb. white dacron backing and can get nowhere near 200 yards of backing on the reel. My guess is that the amount of backing on the reel is closer to 140 yards. The fact is that 140 yards of backing should be plenty for all but the largest of stripers. If your 3.5 is one of the older model Lamsons (great reels BTW), its capacity will be closer to that of the newer Lamson Radius reels. If you use gelspun backing, you should be able to get enough on your reel to land any striper you would be likely to hook. My $0.02.
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I have a Litespeed 4 on which I have mounted a 650 grain RIO Skagit with a Ridge running line. I use SA 30 lb. white dacron backing and can get nowhere near 200 yards of backing on the reel. My guess is that the amount of backing on the reel is closer to 140 yards. The fact is that 140 yards of backing should be plenty for all but the largest of stripers. If your 3.5 is one of the older model Lamsons (great reels BTW), its capacity will be closer to that of the newer Lamson Radius reels. If you use gelspun backing, you should be able to get enough on your reel to land any striper you would be likely to hook. My $0.02.
I'm pretty sure I put 300 yd on when I spooled mine, Smolt, but I use Micron and I'm also kind of anal about spooling on tightly. I dunno, maybe I'm getting too much sun lately! wouldn't be my first memory lapse!
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