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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 02-21-2008, 12:37 PM Thread Starter
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Practice Tips?

Yesterday, I practiced Spey casting. I went to my local lake, instead of the river, so I would not end up fishing. It worked. Perfect spot except for the goose poop. I have been fishing a Skagit line with sinktips so it felt good to toss a floating WC. My roll cast still sucks, but I made progress with the switch, single, double and circle spey casts. My instructor stated that it would take 30 hrs of practice which I am more than willing to do. Any tips appreciated!
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Unless your local lake has a natural narrow peninsula, it's better to practice from the end of a railless dock, with open water on both sides. Since you don't have current to drift your line downstream, you need to make a mental adjustment between casts: where your fly (or yarn) lands becomes "downstream." You then swivel 90 degrees to left or right (you should practice in both directions, by changing your hand placement on the rod), then make a cast of whatever style that brings your fly back to a proper anchor point near you.
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The dock is an upside down L shape. It goes out over a hundred feet and no rails on the upper leg. Thanks for tip to practice from both sides.
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Something that helped me a lot was to mark my line at several spots, 60', 75', 100' etc.. That way, while practicing, I could cast the same amount of head on each cast while adjusting my cast. And, I could see what changes added a few feet to my cast and what changes didn't.
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Marking the line at ten foot entervals starting at say, 50 or 60 feet is a good idea.

The dock is a good deal too. But standing on the dock puts you up high above the water. It makes pulling the tip out of the water easier. But it also tends to open up the D-loop. So when you think you've got it right, then get down in the water, make the same cast, and doesn't work as well, it leaves you frustrated and wondering what you did wrong. BTDT

A spey cast is not a roll cast. Although both casts start out with a D-loop, a spey cast will stop the rod higher, picking the entire line up off the water. Rather than simply rolling the loop along the waters surface.

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I don't like casting off a dock for just the reason JD mentions. Unrealistic position above the water compared to wading. If you wade out from shore as long as it is a shallow bar, you should be able to practice any cast from any side. I just fire a cast then keep doing that same cast as I continue around 180 degrees then perform a different cast going the other direction. If you are practicing off a dock, you might try to cast on your kness occasionally or even sitting down on the dock - I have done this at a local casting pond and it give an entire new perspective to things
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You guys are both right about the dock height! I was trying my first snake roll casts yesterday. The cast was great but never touched the water! I kept slowing and powering down till it did but it was probably the dock height more than anything. Never even thought of the height factor. Love the snake roll.
Thanks for the help!
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Consistency vs. more flying plastic

I encourage you to value consistency over distance. It's easy to get caught up in marking your line and focusing on increasing how much line you can toss. That IS fun, but another good approach is to figure out with what cast and how much line you can make ten good casts in a row. Good casts make for good presentation.

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feedback from the water

When speycasting on still water you can learn a lot about your cast from the water. Once your done making your cast look down at the water to see what has just happened. This can tell you a lot. Since the water isn't moving you should be able to see where your anchor landed. Is it to far away or did you even get an anchor? You should be able to see the direction of the forward cast from the water. Is it 180 degrees to the target? Is there a lot of water disturbance, maybe too much stick or perhaps no water movement at all. You can also tell if the dloop has crashed in the back, where the point of the Dloop has touched the water. I generally use long lines in still water and all of the above has helped me fine tune my casting.


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All Good Advice!

Listen to Doug...I count myself very fortunate to practice where he does many days on the lower American River. As much as anything, I am inspired by his diligent work ethic...as well as his analytical and studious approach.

As attributed to the late Jimmy Green in Al Buhr's excellent book..."Do not practice to practice; practice to be better."

Spend your time on the water analysing what you're doing- good things will follow...

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The stillwater practice is helpful for me and I appreciate the tips. It is not about distance for me as I fish small streams. I'm trying to learn the path and then timing of the cast. Mostly, I practice with the floating WC and 13' 7wt.

Last Saturday, I did fish with my ZA switch. I came down this steep canyon bank to the river. This gear guy at the bottom informs me that you cannot fly fish here! I just smiled. Short version: my snake rolls were sweet, the gear guys were all skunked and I landed my first hatchery buck while spey casting.
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I love it!!! Assuming the gear guy was kidding?
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Thumbs up Very cool indeed

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Last Saturday, I came down this steep canyon bank to the river. This gear guy at the bottom informs me that you cannot fly fish here! I just smiled. Short version: my snake rolls were sweet, the gear guys were all skunked and I landed my first hatchery buck while spey casting.
Congratulations. Would liked to have seen the look on the gear fisherman's face.

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