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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-13-2007, 03:49 PM Thread Starter
 
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I have a lot of experience with single handed rods and have recently decided to try 2 handed rods. I have always dreamed of fishing the famed steelhead rivers of BC (Skeena, Babine, Kispiox etc.) and I have noticed in doing my research that a lot of the fishing on those rivers is done with 2 handed rods. Are 2 handed rods necessary to fish those waters effectively? Can it be done with single handed rods?

I have just received my Scott LS2 1408 and am going to do my best to figure out how to use it by September/October but if my first effort is any indication of future success I may as well leave it at home. Is it reasonable to think I can become proficient enough to make 60 to 70 ft casts with only a month or so of practice? I do plan on getting a spey casting lesson from one of the FFF certified instructors listed on this site and have started watching the RIO DVD on spey casting. Any other suggestions?

Most of my fishing for steelhead is done by dead drifting trout flies under indicators (I know that probably makes most of your cringe) so I also need to learn how to swing flies for steelhead. Are there books, videos that talk about how to do that? Any suggestions or resources for that information would be greatly appreciated.

For those of you that have fished BC for steelhead and Salmon, is realistic to think that I can go up and fish those rivers without the use of local guides? I hope to get a guide for a day or two but anything beyond that is not in the budget. Any suggestions?
From the looks of some of the other posting it sounds as though you are a helpful bunch. Thanks 
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I'd recommend you get Dec Hogan's book ... "A Passion for Steelhead" ... (at your local fly shop or amazon) a great 2 hander primer for steelheading ... lots of information in the "asked and answered" section ... nice chapter about "taking the fly". Good info on casting etc. I'm sure that you know some of the info but the book is really geared towards the 2 handed rod. The Rio DVD is great, Personal instruction and time on the river is the best. I've looked at "all" the spey videos and I've learned a nugget or two from everyone. So if you get a chance to look at others (dec's video .... spey to z ... john hazel's) they are all helpful in troubleshooting a problem. Lani Wallers video is very good at the concept of swinging flies. It was made in the 80's and deals with using the single handed rod but it all applies to 2 handers also in terms of swinging and depth of your fly, covering the water, etc. They sell it here on speypages. I even picked up a good tip on underhand casting from Dana's video he sent out for being a contributing member.

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Personal instruction will get you up and fishing with a 2-handed rod quickly. There are advantages to using it overhead, even if you are having difficulty with spey casting.

Lani Waller's DVD set shows him doing the fishing on those rivers, intitally with a single hand rod, and later with a 2-hand. he talks about the advantages of the 2-hand rod for this fishing.

What line were you using with your rod? A skagit line is probably the easiest way to get fishing with a 2-hand rod in the spey mode. If not that, at least a delta or WC length to begin.

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2/3 of my steelhead in Skeena country are hooked within 6o feet of where I am standing - i.e. within reach of a single hander. Having said that, I have to be honest in that my line controll is better with the double hander. I no longer worry about fishing behind someone with a singlehander as I frequently "pick their pockets"
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Speydoc, I totally agree with you , but I will also say that I caught a fish on the back of three guided Spey fishers, on the Skeena above the Kispiox, with my single hander. But they had the distance is the key problem, they were out in the main flow and as a result the swing was not to deep.
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the neat thing is to get the length of a spey so you can mend to the needs betterthan with a single, but use a lighter line spey than the 8-9-10 stuff and fish it like a single hander so you get more like the fun of fighting the fish on a single hander . But Speydoc has nailed I think.
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The trick with the doublehander is to fish the "water" and not the "cast" - i.e. don't wade into a run and start with 60 to 90 foot casts. I have taken many steelhead with just my leader or sinktip out of the top guide. Often when fishing down a long run I have come level with a rock or other structure that I have fished over with a long cast and have shortened up my line and refished the spot with a shorter focused cast and have hooked a fish.
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I have a lot of experience with single handed rods and have recently decided to try 2 handed rods. I have always dreamed of fishing the famed steelhead rivers of BC (Skeena, Babine, Kispiox etc.) and I have noticed in doing my research that a lot of the fishing on those rivers is done with 2 handed rods. Are 2 handed rods necessary to fish those waters effectively? Can it be done with single handed rods?

I have just received my Scott LS2 1408 and am going to do my best to figure out how to use it by September/October but if my first effort is any indication of future success I may as well leave it at home. Is it reasonable to think I can become proficient enough to make 60 to 70 ft casts with only a month or so of practice? I do plan on getting a spey casting lesson from one of the FFF certified instructors listed on this site and have started watching the RIO DVD on spey casting. Any other suggestions?

Most of my fishing for steelhead is done by dead drifting trout flies under indicators (I know that probably makes most of your cringe) so I also need to learn how to swing flies for steelhead. Are there books, videos that talk about how to do that? Any suggestions or resources for that information would be greatly appreciated.

For those of you that have fished BC for steelhead and Salmon, is realistic to think that I can go up and fish those rivers without the use of local guides? I hope to get a guide for a day or two but anything beyond that is not in the budget. Any suggestions?
From the looks of some of the other posting it sounds as though you are a helpful bunch. Thanks 
I started with the RIO video and I was casting 60-70 ft within the first three times I went out (three evenings after work). I have a traditional 7wt which I was casting with tips (don't recommend tips, use full float at first) but it wastn't a big problem casting the length of the head an some more (I had a delta). Now learning how to shoot line was harder and the fact that I didn't know to keep the head outside the tip top made it even more of a nightmare. The tips on this website helped a lot and John Hazels video also cleared up some things. Just don't give up and you'll be casting (might not be an expert but oh well) in a few weeks. Also watch the dvds after every trip and note what you were doing wrong.

Good luck and have fun in BC. I can't wait to do that in a few years.

S_B

P.S. And don't be afraid to try the spey casts with a single hander. Sometimes using a familiar tool will help you. However if you go practicing, try not to switch between rods every 20 min becasue the timing is way different.

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I am a new Spey-fischer, looking for instruction, will be near Vernon BC as of Sat. Aug. 25 th. for 7 Days. Cheers C.
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I am a new Spey-fischer, looking for instruction, will be near Vernon BC as of Sat. Aug. 25 th. for 7 Days. Cheers C.
Try posting this below in the "Instructors" section and you might have better luck finding someone.
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I have the same rod and use a airflow delta multi tip in 10-11 wt and an 650 grain skagit...It took one good lesson from a fellow speyer who helped me a ton..( T.U. Ian) started getting out some decent casts..just takes a little time on the flow..that rod should handle just about anything up here so no problems there...You'll do fine, come up and enjoy some great rivers and people..
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I have the same rod and use a airflow delta multi tip in 10-11 wt and an 650 grain skagit...
Interesting combo on a 1408 LS2. The 650 I understand but 10-11 surprises me. I've got the 1408 but haven't cast it much yet. The deltalong 10/11 line casts nicely on my 1610 LS2 so I'm surprised their 10/11 goes well on the 1408? Didn't think my lines would cross over that far.
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Interesting combo on a 1408 LS2. The 650 I understand but 10-11 surprises me. I've got the 1408 but haven't cast it much yet. The deltalong 10/11 line casts nicely on my 1610 LS2 so I'm surprised their 10/11 goes well on the 1408? Didn't think my lines would cross over that far.
Got this stick from M & Y and told this is "the" line for this rod...have no complaints as it is much nicer to fish then the 650 skagit..(sick of stripping all that line)...and casts pretty damn nice..
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I have a lot of experience with single handed rods and have recently decided to try 2 handed rods.

Most of my fishing for steelhead is done by dead drifting trout flies under indicators (I know that probably makes most of your cringe) so I also need to learn how to swing flies for steelhead.
Thanks 
IMHO: The biggest difference is not the delivery, but how you fish the fly. Getting the fly to "swim" at depth is a whole other ball game than dead drifting under an indicator. Maybe a whole 'nother mind set even. Just stay focused and try to let the current work the fly so that it looks like something that is alive, and might get away.

Swinging flies, controling line tension, fly speed, depth, leading the fly, etc is an art. Those who just chuck it out there and hope for the best don't catch many fish.

I fish because the voices inside my head tell me to.
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You do not have to fish a double hand rod on the Skeena system, it's a personal choice. My brother fishes a single hander and does very well. Most of the fish require a 20-80 foot cast, I'd say that it depends on the system you're fishing, some fish are in close especially in heavy water and it's looking like high water this fall, it's been raining for two weeks now so it'll probably be wet when you come.
When do you plan on coming to fish?

The Babine is a system where a guide is a good idea the rest of the systems are highly accessable. I have the 1408 LS2, unfortunaltly I broke the tip section the first time out, I cast this rod for most of a day with a 550 grain Skagit made by Rio, I use this line for most of my tip fishing now and it loads this rod perfectly with a 15 foot tip.

Let me know when you're coming to my neck of the woods and I'll show you a few tips.

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