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Over line a switch rod

Ok I am supposed to head out for day on the water, so I want to take my new Cabelas LSi 11'6" 7weight switch rod.But the local shop doesn't have rio switch chucker in 7 weight. They gave me 8 weight saying "it will be fine". My one handers all preform better one line up, but I don't know about the switch line. Any advice will be appreciated. If need be I can leave the switch at home if over line will hurt it.
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Modeate overlining does not hurt the rod.

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Modeate overlining does not hurt the rod.

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While the above is very true ( I tend to overline my rods a bit :-) ) the switch chucker runs heavy. I wouldn't throw the 8 on the 7. I'd say if they don't have the 7 a 6 may even be the way to go. Go to the Rio website, the grain weights are listed for their chucker series. Compare these grains to those of any other line you would consider ( more specifically what scandi line or rage line would be good for your rod)

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While the above is very true ( I tend to overline my rods a bit :-) ) the switch chucker runs heavy. I wouldn't throw the 8 on the 7. I'd say if they don't have the 7 a 6 may even be the way to go. Go to the Rio website, the grain weights are listed for their chucker series. Compare these grains to those of any other line you would consider ( more specifically what scandi line or rage line would be good for your rod)

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Just put up a question on a new RIO #5 "In Touch Switch" line and though they give you he length (head and full) it's the most unusual boxing/information I've ever seen.

End game is a lot of line questions are now answered (even by rod makers) as 'This rod wants a line between x and y grains.' Looks like RIO has climed on board the train?




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Over-Lining likely will not hurt a thing and it may do fine on there - but it can have a dampening on a rod. Its common to overline for certain reasons ; however , some tapers are already made heavier than standard for the same reasons. Keep in mind that grains are often off so up-lining such tapers can have compounding effect. You can never know for sure what you are getting unless you weigh the head. Being that I prefer lines to be on the light side rather than heavy - I would hold off instead of purchasing heavy for one trip.
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Over-Lining likely will not hurt a thing and it may do fine on there - but it can have a dampening on a rod.
To riff on this, over-LINING does not necessarily hurt a rod, but, over-LOADING will, and if you over-LINE, you are reducing the margin you have before the rods ends up in an over-LOAD situation. I've seen two rods blown up where I believe over-lining -- and not by much, BTW -- was a contributing factor. So if you overline, slow down, take the time to get the feel of the rig, adjust your cast appropriately. And if you loan the rig, let it be known what is going on. Most rods should go a line size, or even two, in either direction, no problem, with appropriate casting adjustments, but over-line plus some other condition that applies above-normal load can equal trouble.
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There are so many variables here that it's hard to say yay or nay.

As an example, a few years back I had two clients with high end switch rods, both of whom were having difficulty fitting lines to their rods. It turned out that their rods had a very narrow window. Thirty grains over was enough for the rods to be over loaded and very hard to cast well.

On the other hand, my current switch rods accept a very wide range of lines and I can pile on the grains with nary a whimper.

Casting stroke has a lot to do with it as well. A while back, just to prove a point, I double hauled a 450 grain Scandi head on a 9' 5 wt. PRO4x trout rod, sending it a measured 90'. Would I fish that combo? Never, but it did prove that given a good rod and an adjusted casting stroke, ridiculously heavy lines can be cast safely.

I don't know your rod, but I have found that certain types of actions handle up lining better than others. This is a general statement for I know there will be exceptions, however I have found that rods which do most of their bending in the upper half, having relatively stiff butt sections, don't do well when up lined. Rods that bend progressively, in other words bend deeper and smoothly through the blank, the more they are loaded, tend to tolerate up lining much better.

So all that to say, if your rod has a noodle for an upper half and a stiff butt section, I'd stay away from the heavier line.

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Just another comment - the 'switch' lines you are considering are profiled for a tip - poly or t - to complete the line.
Keep the add-on grain weight moderate and you should be fine.

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Thank you all for your input. I have decided to leave the switch at home, and wait for the proper line. As badly as I want to use the rod I don't want to hurt it or handi cap my learning curve either. The latter the more likely of the two. Thanks again!
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Thank you all for your input. I have decided to leave the switch at home, and wait for the proper line. As badly as I want to use the rod I don't want to hurt it or handi cap my learning curve either. The latter the more likely of the two. Thanks again!
That probably a good idea... I used to have the LSi 1107 and it paired nicely with a skagit switch 480 and rio recommends 425-475 for that rod so I would assume the 1167 would handle the same lines.

Going up to the 8wt switch chucker would put you at 520gr, which isn't too too much over the upper end of the recommendation, but the switch chucker 7wt would be perfect IMO @ 465grains.
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