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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 05-08-2007, 08:13 PM Thread Starter
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St Croix SC11 Imperial

I am putting together a 14 foot 9/10 weight ord and am lost as to what line to get for it. As a beginner, would you recommend a floating line to learn with then something more specialized to the conditions? How do you go about matching the line to the rod? Dizzy with too many choices
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I believe you will find an 8/9 Delta or an 8/9/10 WindCutter will serve you well on that rod. I would learn with a floating line or a multi tip line with the floating tip installed. I will always have a soft spot for the rod you have. My first factory spey rod was a St Croix 14'-9/10.

PS, A good way to match a line to a rod is to start with Rio's line/rod recommendations which can be found on Rio's website.

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St Croix 14ft imperial sang real well with a Wullf Triangle Taper in a 70ft length,they changed the ratings on those lines and the labels way before they revamped the AFTMA spey ratings so it could get confusing but look for a 70ft head ten wt line,certainly there are newer lines out there that would work great but i wouldn't hang an 8-9 midspey in the old tan color on it,been there done that!,,,i bought two,underlined (i thought) and and,,,well,,DON'T overline the rod!,=you'll go nuts and before you know it you'll own 20 two-handers ,,,,,,,,,,,so to `cut the crap' if i was handed one today i'd go find my `WUFFTENWTLINE' spool that up grab some LC13 tips and go have some fun let's leave it at that=enjoy!

oh!,if you need some grisly details=i took mine up to gary anderson's and we guessed at a line rating,underlined it or so we thought with the line i mentioned above,but it was overlined,,,this before scales were readily availlable and grain ratings were being talked of freely as it was mostly guesswork(then) and of course the rio lines avallable today can't be the same as then(can they),i asked the rep at st croix what the hot line was he had no answer for me at that time,the windcutter might be the ticket for dialing in what feels good due to adding or removing the cheater section but i can't truly comment as i've never used one,,,i'd fish one of those again no problem,,,(now)

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MJC, thanks for your reply. I've got all the components ready to be assembled. Got the wrap colors down. Now another question. I have hardloy stripping guides for the butt section, solid perfection snake guides for the mid section and REC titantium guides for the third section and a large loop for the tip top. REC just bought Perfection and I had a tough time finding a complete set so I have a mixed set. Does anyone mix guide styles? I thought it would be an interesting combination. What do you think?

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That rod always reminds me of the old sage 9140-3 pice it just a tad off. But then again the wife always said I was a half a bubble off.
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That rod always reminds me of the old sage 9140-3 pice it just a tad off. But then again the wife always said I was a half a bubble off.
I agree. That rod was once my most recommended rod for budget conscious anglers, because it was an excellent rod masquerading as a budget rod.



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This is my first rod and first attempt to build a spey rod. I found the blank for 80 bucks and components went to another 120. For an inexpensive intro to both casting and building, I figure that was a good combination. The next rod after I "learn" will be a shorter 7 wt something or other. Has anyone ever mixed guide brands? Does it matter? Do more guides hinder or help casting. Any builders out there prefer the soft side or the opposite side of the spline for the guides?

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that's a thread in itself

and it has been discussed years ago here,,i had purchased several rods in pairs at one time,objective was=because i was going to guide and some were from UK sources and some were from UK sources and obsolete as well,but i was learning the gig and just went wild,anyway,i noticed some rods the `spine' would be one way on one section and the other way on other sections,,BOTH RODS OF SAME BUILD SO IT HAD TO BE PLANNED FROM THE FACTORY ,,and as i recall the St Croix was that way,i believe it was the mid(three piece) section,but i could be dead wrong,maybe it was the BW's or the daiwas,of course i twisted the sections around every witch way and `ghost' cast them with no line on,there's quite a dif in feel but i was in intensive care at that time=sick with spey and plenty of rods/lines to play with,,,,(dang it was good! ),,anyhoo visiting with gary anderson he sets the rods up for maximum lift,hard side to lift soft side to cast,and he's one of a handfull who's been around awhile so i won't argue as i love his rods,, absoluteley do!,,of course i've always wondered about changing for max drive out the front side

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Thanks Hammer

Guess I'll wrap soft side down for casting which is yet to be learnt. I shouldn't worry about lift at this point. Daughter #2 is back for summer break and my rod room is gone for a few months. Man, the King Salmon run on the Lower Sacramento is calling me though. They'll be here soon enough. Thanks for your opinion.

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Hey Guys , wondering if this rod would be a decent Skagit rod for King's in the GL's ??

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do they bite there?

getting them to bite here is nuts,,the `rogue canyon'(you can do a search) separates us from the salty environ and they have lockjaw by the time they are here,,,save for roe or a spinner in their face and of course plugs,but it's not flyfishing ,reason i post is=i bought my Croixs when the river had salmon rolling all over,,,and me with an overlined rod and no casting skill whatsoever,,,boy! those were the days!

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getting them to bite here is nuts,
Yup , here too , but that's part of the fun (challenge)!!! I usually target them within the first 1/4 mile from the Bay , fresh in and very aggressive !! Big maribou spiders and streamers in pi$$-me-off colours are the ticket !!

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Hey Flyer

Which river system do you fish that close to the bay? I'm in Sonoma County where we can't go for salmon or we get fined. Can't hold a spey rod or heavy rod for that matter during the salmon run or we can get a hefty ticket by the Sheriff Dept. (hired by the local water agency) Can't say I blame the water agency for helping out the DFG here. What you've described is what I wish to do someday. To fish for Pacific salmon in an estuary or as you say, near a bay or inlet. Yummmmmmmmm By th etime they reach Sacramento, most of them are pretty dark and sluggish. Not a fun fight. but it may be a good place to practice (learn to cast) , as the river has strong current and is quite wide.

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Which river system do you fish that close to the bay?
The Bay I'm talking about is Georgian Bay (Greatlakes) . These Chinooks (Kings) are stocked fish . I fish several river systems in my area , all have excellent runs of salmon . Depending on water levels and weather , the runs start mid-August and end mid to late-October .

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Awesome!!!!!!!

Never been there. When I go to that area next, I'll try to work in a visit to your waters.

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