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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 04-18-2007, 02:09 AM Thread Starter
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Spey casting from shore

I'd like to know if anyone fishes with there spey rod from the beaches and has any advise as to how it can be done the best. Currently I do some over head casts, then when I get some distance out there, I then do a roll cast. The problem lies when I strip in, I have to start all over again. Most of the time I have to do 2 or 3 roll casts and I think it makes a lot of noise on the surface, I'd prefer to be more stealty.
I live really close to the beaches so it would be really nice to get more familiar with casts from shore.
If someone could give me pointers great, maybe a step 1,2,3 and 4. Or even, a link to shore casting, something on the net??
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post #2 of 32 (permalink) Old 04-18-2007, 05:33 AM
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Circle spey when you pick up and shoot line into the first cast....let it catch and do it again...this usually does it for me...when in doubt, sweep your rod from side to side to pay out more line, then sweep it back and fire...

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You might want to use as short a head as you can, either a Skagit, a Scandinavian head or one of the bech lines like the Airflo 45+ or the Rio Outbound. That way after you strip in the retrieve you have a very short head to get back out for the next cast.

I have been to Cape Cod a couple of times and the "beach cast" that is used there with a double-hander is very simple. I was using a Rio Outbound which has a very short head, after stripping the fly into my feet I shook a little line out of the guides - as Uliwon suggests - did a weak single spey/roll cast to straighten the head, then picked the line up into one overhead backcst and fired the line out into the surf. It is very economical and effective.

If I were to fish for here for coho (or any fish that prefers the strip) I would employ the same method.

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spey casting from shore

OK, this is good news, it's basically what I've been doing. I will looking to the shorter heads. I currently have a Rio versi-tip 9/10/11 and a sage FLI 8140. I will have to work with that till I am ready to spring for something different, because I am already way over budget.
I went to the beach again today with the spey and got it out there a bit farther this time (really hard to say, maybe 60-70 ft.) and what a difference it makes in the wind, this would have been a day I would have not gone due the the winds. Any wind coming in on my right side (the side I cast on) means I've got the fly flailing around my head, but not with the spey, most of the time it just stays on the water. Another thing is that the tide was in-coming, so the beach was short and people walk around in this park so I would normally wait till passer by's are gone, but today I just kept chucking it out there. Pretty nice.
Thanks for the info.
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Hello Frank;
Your conditions are very similar to ours here on Vancouver Island and the fish we are after are the same. I have been using Two Handers off the beach areas here for the past 10 years ,and have found through too much experimentation that there are few lines designed for this style. The best to date are the Hardy Mach 1 and 2 Salmon Lines, followed closely by the Snowbee Short Head Speys...With the Hardy Mach 1 floating lines you can simply pick up at the colour(color to you guys) change and do an overhead cast of about 100' quite simply,and very similarly with the Snowbee line. With the Hardy Mach 1 Clear you will have to engage a quick roll cast and straight to an overhead cast. Line coatings playa great part on this style of casting and delivery. Too many of the coatings on the Market coil making pick and delivery poor. Multi-tiped lines are not as effective and I never use these for distance Beach casting.
One of my favorite casts of the beach using a floating line is what I call a vertical Snap cast where(similar to checking your fly cast) I raise the rod tip keeping the line under strain(to between 11 and 12 oclock) and snap the tip down ,aiming the fly landing just of to my right or left side...depending on the winds...create a "V" loop at "White Mouse Speed" and a smooth forward stroke and you are back fishing at 100' if needed. The beauty of this cast is that there is very little concern for passers by behind you rarely exceeding 25' to the rear. And since we are using very long leaders your forward stroke occurs while there is still a few feet of floating line acting as our anchor.
The Hardy Mach and Snowbee Short head lines are very supple lines with heads in the 45-60 length and have small diameter running lines of different colours...these lines lay out straight unlike others that seem to "Snake' too much. This isn't really a factor when we are casting onto moving water or using large flies but often we are casting size 8 shrimp and minnow patterns that weight nothing. I have cast the New Vision tips and seem to feel that they will be good as well.
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OK West Coast I will give it a try, though I think I have it, but when I get to the Beach tomorrow we will know. Today was better, when I saw the low tide, it only meant that it was coming in, that means a current will allow me to use the spey like in a river, like I was taught. This rod is new to me and I am to spey casting, but not to fly fishing. It's really tough to feel a strike with this rod. 8140 FLI.
Thanks for the help.
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I caught a resident silver today in West Seattle, Not a big deal but it's great to have popped the cherry on the spey.
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How was your casting? Took my lady to one of my favorite haunts this morning . She has been tying all sorts of intruder patterns this winter ..her stick is a beautiful little Beulah 6/7 11'6" Two Hander. I loaded it up with an old Rio Mid-Spey I have had for a few years now(6)...anyway,very nice match with 10' of Type 6 tip...she schooled me...hooked into Two Steelhead right off the bat...on her own tied flies....
I had better get to bed!!??
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How was your casting? Took my lady to one of my favorite haunts this morning . She has been tying all sorts of intruder patterns this winter ..her stick is a beautiful little Beulah 6/7 11'6" Two Hander. I loaded it up with an old Rio Mid-Spey I have had for a few years now(6)...anyway,very nice match with 10' of Type 6 tip...she schooled me...hooked into Two Steelhead right off the bat...on her own tied flies....
I had better get to bed!!??
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The casting is better, I just know now that when I'm casting I have to stack the line incrementally in front after stripping and roll cast. If the tide is running a snap t will help otherwise it's just a bit of a pain.
I still don't think this is the right line for my spey, I'm going to dive into spey line info and search for what I need. Plus take into account what others have recommended. I think it loads fine, but I think I could do better.
Congrats to your wife on the hook ups, that's aw some.
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Make your own current

I enjoy fishing from a long unbroken shoreline here in the channel behind my house, and I fish it with a floating long or midbelly or intermediate scandi, exactly the same as if I were fishing a big river with very smooth and even current.
The only difference is that the apparent current is from my walking.
It's a very enjoyable and productive way to fish.

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I will looking to the shorter heads. I currently have a Rio versi-tip 9/10/11 and a sage FLI 8140
Just for grins you could try removing tip #2 and placing tip #1 directly to the WC body. Not sure but a 9/10/11 sounds heavy for that rod? Overhead casts dont need as much weight to load plus it would shorten your head up by 15'

For less disturbance over the water your fishing work your line out parallel to the shore, then on tight line with rod tip low go into a 'spey' to aerialise, tap it out over the water and leave in the air, then come back with one backcast & out for delivery.

I'm pretty green to the game too, just a couple thoughts.. good luck.
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I'd like to know if anyone fishes with there spey rod from the beaches and has any advise as to how it can be done the best. Currently I do some over head casts, then when I get some distance out there, I then do a roll cast. The problem lies when I strip in, I have to start all over again. Most of the time I have to do 2 or 3 roll casts and I think it makes a lot of noise on the surface, I'd prefer to be more stealty.
I live really close to the beaches so it would be really nice to get more familiar with casts from shore.
If someone could give me pointers great, maybe a step 1,2,3 and 4. Or even, a link to shore casting, something on the net??
Frank.
We use Spey casts when setting up the overhead while striper fishing off the beach. The line is stripped well in as fish can hit pretty close to shore. Usually the line is stripped in until the fly is at the anchor position of a conventional Circle or Double Spey. Then as I make my lift, I don't actually lift line, rather I slip line, casting an "upstream" loop to get the head out of the guides. If I don't get all of the head out on this attempt, then I slip some line into the D-Loop.

The Spey cast is then made quite lightly, just to fully extract what's left of the head, add some overhang, and straighten it out. I then go into a conventional overhead cast at that point with no false casting. When distance isn't important, I don't bother with the overhead portion.

I use similar techniques when single-hand Spey casting for trout or smallmouth when using streamers.

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Smaller surf and flats

I do a lot of fishing in the Outer Banks in NC both on the shore in in the intercoastal. The surf is not very large and at low tide I'm often fishing in large tidal pool areas created by sand bars. Fishing on the Atlantic is for flounder, bluefish, etc., your basic surf fishing mixed bag. On the intercoastal, the fishing is in moderate to shallow depths often over grass beds for redfish. I'm intersted in lining my loomis 5/6 metolius with 8 wt. outbound and using it in the surf and over in the intercoastal. What do you guys think? Generally you don't get into monster fish, I wouldn't go above a 9 wt single handed unless the wind was really tough, but then i'd probably just wait for it to die down hahaha. Do you think the rod will handle the overhead well? Provided I'm not into a big bull red, do you think the rod will hold its own for light saltwater game fish?
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overhead casting with 2 hander

Hi everybody. I'm also planning to do some surf fishing with my 2 hand rods, never done this before. And I've never seen it because of where I fish nobody's doing this. It was usefull to read the tips in this topic. Something I am wondering about is hand position regarding the line. Is it the best way to hold the line with right hand against the grip and let it go while shooting? Or are there better options/tips? I feel silly asking this but when facing a surf I have this strong compulsion to double haul the line..do something usefull with my left hand..Anybody ever figured out a way to do this with a two hander?? I guess not... If I understand it correctly the distance you get with a double hander is so good you don't need this extra line handling..Last question: who nows a good instruction DVD on overhead double hand casting?
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latest DVD has a section on using the two-handed rod from the beach. It also shows Simon G using a basket and two hand stripping on the retrieve. It is a short, but good piece that can get you started.

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