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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-05-2007, 03:31 PM Thread Starter
 
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New here and have a couple of questions...

Hello all, I'm brand new to spey casting and have a couple of Q's. This seems like the right place.

I have a 12' + Echo2 7 wt. So far I have only used the distance tip (it comes with two). Right now, I'm focusing on the switch cast and keep popping the darn flies off the leader. I'm seeing the leader/fly kiss the water, but then it seems to come back up and pop the leader on the forward cast. Anyone had similar problems starting out?

Related to the q above, anyone recommend the proper leader length for this type of set-up?

I've only had two casting sessions with it so far and seem to be doing very well on distance, but the popping thing is getting old real fast.

Thanks in advance for your reco's.
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Leader material...

size, & quality should be checked 1st.

What's the details of the leader/tippet you are using, and the flies you are casting?

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I am mostly familiar with single-handed techniques so I used a 7.5 foot 5x. I have also tried the 4x and had the same results.

As for flies...I have sent a broad range of flies into orbit. Mostly woolies once I figured out there was a problem with loosing the flies.
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On your back cast make sure your rod tip is rising consistently and the leader lands straight forming a sturdy anchor. This should eliminate the "popping" or "snapping" noise that results in a lost fly.

Hope that helps a little.

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Try with less power. Possible you are coming forward trying to whack it and thus shocking the leader. This combined with a anchor with some slack in it can be akin to what happens when you crack the whip with a single hander. A miss application of power is the most likely culprit.

Practice using as little power as possible. For your forward cast as long as you have a good Dloop all you should need is a tiny amount of power to get the cast out.

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Hello! Try some longer leaders.. This will help also.. Cheers.
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A follow on to Sean's note about power, ease into the power you do put in. If you hit it from the start you run the risk of popping the leader.

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longer leaders...and heavier leaders. Try leaders at least the length of the rod (I never use leaders less than 14ft in length even with rods less than 14ft) and use a leader that tapers to 10lb test or heavier. Use a yarn fly when you're practicing too--easier on the eyes if you blow a cast!



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Al Burh in his book suggests practicing your spey cast with a raw leader. That way you know when you have misapplied the power in the cast as the leader snaps and pops. When the leader is no longer poping, then tie on a piece of yarn or a fly.

I often practice my cast with a raw leader to keep my cast smooth and with minimal power.

Like others have suggested, consider a leader 12-15 feet tapering to 10 lbs.

Good luck with your spey cast.

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Thanks everyone. Great advice. Looking forward to getting back out there and smoothing out the cast.
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longer leaders...and heavier leaders. Try leaders at least the length of the rod (I never use leaders less than 14ft in length even with rods less than 14ft) and use a leader that tapers to 10lb test or heavier. Use a yarn fly when you're practicing too--easier on the eyes if you blow a cast!
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Went back out this weekend on the grass and noticed that I was trying to power through the cast. Once, I stopped doing that, increased the pause during the D loop and then let the rod work, it stopped popping.

Thanks for the advice.

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shorter

With many of the shorter rods many new to spey casting seem to bring the rod a bit to verticle and move the line behind the rod,this encourages the caster to power up the load...Sean was correct with "Wait!",soon you will see the difference
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