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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-21-2007, 02:31 PM Thread Starter
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short spey rods trout

I fish small streams and seldom cast over 90' . I need to "SPEY" to get into some tight places or where there is no "backcast" room. What I need to know is , [A] is the short butt rod [2-3"] a spey set-up? Can I palm the butt and two hand cast ? [B] Can I put "spey" line on one of my stiffer fly rods and get away with it ? [C] What lenght rod do I need? Most of my fly rods are 9-10 ' and 4-7 wt. I have "roll cast" with fly line but need a little more! Most of the trout I get are in the range of 12-18's. Any info on this or any other things I might need to know will be a great help. I know at some point I will buy a two hander but for now , I don't know enought. Please help. Thanks steve
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Steve you can spey cast with any fly rod you own. I don't think you need any special lines. There are some different spey casting videos around that have some great single hand spey casting footage. You might pick one of those up and see what it's about.

Rio's International Spey Casting, Rio's Modern Spey Casting, The Art of Spey Casting (Spey-O-Rama), Mel Krieger's Fly Casting Faults and Fixes are a few DVDs that have great single hand spey casting footage.

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Like Poppy said, you can Spey cast with any rod, single or DH. I have a 9' 6WT Sage that works great with a long belly weight forward line for trout. Spey casting makes some things easier, even when there is room to the back, for example, repositioning for the next cast.

If you have not Spey cast before, good instruction will make that happen a lot faster.

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post #4 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-22-2007, 08:52 AM
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Yes, you dont need to have two hands on a rod to spey cast. Just dont try and do it with a trout WF with to much running line out the tip. I find the SA nymph taper a good spey line but most DTs will do the trick.

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post #5 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-22-2007, 02:34 PM
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I use short and a bit heavy S.heads for most of
my sea fishing and also for river fishing(Salmon,seatrout)
with one handed rod.
Mostly i fish with a 9,3`#6.. or a 9,6`#7.
I want the rod to bee a bit longer than 9` so that i can
lift the line from the water with less effort..
It gives me good control offcourse you will not get the
extreme lengt, but you`ll see that it`s very easy to get
good fishing lenght...
I buy a Sh one classification over the rod and then cut
it down to the right weight..
I often end up with a Sh thats only 7-8meters long.
These short Sh are wery easy to spey with and changing
the angel with.
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post #6 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-23-2007, 01:56 AM
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My set up for small rivers and streams:
Rod: 7-9 ft, #4-7.
Line: custom, made from DT or any line 10-15 ft length with weight of average line for this or that rod's range. Even Cheaters can be used.
Leader or tip with length depending of depth or presentations(dry fly case) desired. As usual 10-15 ft.
Yes, its a kind of Skagit matching but it serves better(for me) in tight places or if controled load of the rod is a must on short distance.
BTW, I find that short fat body serves as indicator while bottom fishing perfectly.
I use double haul or, more usually, haul on forecast in casts, but when fishing ponds or lakes with the same set up(where I cannot make an overhead ) I prefer the "help" of additional bottom handle what make casting more relaxing during the whole day.
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post #8 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-23-2007, 12:28 PM
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2 options...

As I see it, you have two options:

1.Pull the trigger and buy a trout sized two-handed rod(b/c wow is that fun).


2.Try different sized lines on your one-handers.

After spending last summer trying lines on my 4wgt Sage xp for "spey casting", I came to some conclusions. For my style of fishing/casting, I like a Rio Grand that is one size(5wgt) or two larger(6wgt) on this rod. It's kind of like the skagit theory that says bigger line for bigger flies. A leader with a nice thick butt section always helps too.
The river I fish most often for trout is like a large spring creek, and I am most often using soft hackles and wet flies with the 5wgt line, which is really like a 5.5wgt.
Sinking leaders are awesome for this setup too, but once again I liked the heavier(6wgt) line better for this.
Truth be told, if the river is big enough for my 6126(aka:the Hodenpyle, Muskeegan etc), I will be fishing that
This rod rocks with an Outbound 11wgt.


Two handed rods, swung flies, bird dogs and the 45th parallel. That's my happy place.
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Have you tried overhead casting that Outbound on your 6126? Any feedback on how well that works?


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post #10 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-25-2007, 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeT_PDX View Post
Have you tried overhead casting that Outbound on your 6126?
I have not overhead the OB 11 on my 6126. The main reason I bought this line is for overheading with my T&T1409 per speybro's suggestion. I would think it would be way too heavy as it loads the much burlier 1409 nicely overhead. It also was mentioned here by GrampaSpey how how well this line speycasted with the 6126. Gotta love one line for two rods/aplications!!!


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