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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 09-09-2006, 10:31 PM Thread Starter
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I've been flyfishing and tying for about 25yrs now and steelhead has always been my favourite quarry.I believe spey casting and technique is long overdue in my progression as a fly angler.In my region of the greatlakes most of the rivers I fish are about 50-100ft wide.Average depth of runs would be 4-7ft,pools 5-12ft.And of course very little if no back-casting room.And , oh-yeah steelies are between 8 and 20lbs , with 12lbs being the average.
So my question would be -- what would be a good outfit for these types of rivers and fish? Bare in mind , my philosophy in life is I rather grow into something than grow out of it! So if an outfit that you want to suggest you may feel is a little expensive,please suggest it anyway.I rather spend $1000 now and be happy .Than $400 and not happy next year at this time.
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I'm from your area and return to fish the rivers a bit south of you every fall. If I had to do it over again my first dollar spent would be on some first rate instruction as the rods and styles are completely different from single handed techniques. Get started right and the gear will follow. Talk to Rick Whorwood in Ontario (THCI qualified). Also, Nick Pionessa at the Oak Orchard Fly Shop has been putting together some "evening claves" down in Buffalo that are fun, have gear, and are a good learning experiences. Derek Brown's video and the new RIO DVD are good starting places as well.

My next dollar spent would be to travel and attend one of the Spey Claves either in or out of your area. You'll see casting styles and gear galore and will help give you a feel for equipment and what fits you and your river(s). The two planned for BC and Washington State (posted on this board) in October will have the Scots in attendance so you'd do well to witness them in action.

As for actual gear, I use a 13' 8 weight and a cut up Mid-Spey with a looped on 10 ft. type III tip once the water temps get into the low 50's (just a floater before then). I'm cutting over to a 60' Carron and sinking leaders this fall. My reel is a Lamson Velocity, it's just fine, maybe a bit overkill.

I use a rod with a faster action only because that's what was more available at the time. A "do over" would put me into something more traditional like a Clan or Bruce & Walker of equal weight and length. This is where religion can come in as a faster action Euro-underhand rod and shooting heads would serve you well in the GL. Again, this comes down to feel and what you like, which is why I recommended a clave before you buy.

Keep in mind that floating lines or slow sink leaders work well this time of year. Don't knock the GL fish on the head just yet. I've had plenty of hard takes on or near the surface on the same Spey flies I use for Atlantics in Gaspe.

PS. You can learn to Spey cast with your single hand rod in the meantime. Get the motions down that way and it'll help once you get a big rod in hand.

Hope this helps.

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I'm looking for more info.Such as lengths and line weights in spey rods that might be used for the river systems in my area.Types of lines that may be used with the rod. Anymore info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ---GR8LAKES FLYER---
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Wilson's post is right on and gives you some great advice. As to the price of an outfit, it is all subjective. I doubt that you would "grow out" of a $400.00 outfit in a year. When matched with the right line weight those low end outfits will cast just fine. Some of them will even be getting much better in the near future.

That being said spend whatever turns your crank and you can afford but try as much out as you can before you drop the coin. Spey clave, dealers that do test drives, and other anglers are all ways to try before you buy.

If you take some lessons your instructor will have some different tackle and most likely some strong opinions about what brand and types of tackle would be best for you and your area.

I have never fished the Great Lakes area but I have studied it abit. If I were picking something it would be 12'6" to 13' and 8 or 9wt with some type of short belly multi tip line, maybe shooting heads. Wilson's outfit sounds pretty good to me.

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Your right MJC , Wilson is right !
I've been doing some research and hooked up with a local spey guru in my area about rods, lines , and casting styles and Wilson is right !

No offence Wilson , I really appreciated your advice !!! I just wanted to get more opinions about the styles and systems in our area . Being so new to Spey sometimes need to get more opinions and info , in order to get a feel for it , that's all !
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Wonderful. Now if I can get you to say those three little words to my girlfriend all will be right in the world ;-)

Let us know how the Spey fishing on the Notty goes.

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Will do , but you got to do the same for me , to my wife !!!!!!

Chris , I hope to get out sometime in November , right now I'm in Kentucky on business (no chrome here) . Furthest away from steelies I've ever been , especially at this time of the season !
Usually we get some small steel at this time mixed in with alot of salmon in the Notty . I got my first atlantic around this time a few years back . I haven't seen the river conditions in a few weeks , but it should be getting good anytime now !

Again thanks Chris !

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Hi Mike.
I live in the Cambridge area and fish the Notty now and then with a couple of retired local buddie's from Wasaga.
I am also a Certified Spey Casting Instructor with the FFF.
If you would like to contact me I am sure I can help you out.
I have a number or rods avaliable to cast from Traditional to European to Skagit(for the Notty).
You can contact me at 519-740-3442 or you can e-mail me,
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Good luck on the Notty this fall.
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