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post #1 of 6 (permalink) Old 11-07-2015, 10:30 AM Thread Starter
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Question Difference between Rio Scandi and Rio Scandi Versitip

Hi all, another beginner question for you. For my first spey line, I'm leaning towards a scandi head. My rod is a 13'6'' 8wt orvis clearwater and I will be fishing big rivers for Atlantic salmon (flies in sizes 2 single to 10 double hook), as well as steelhead on Great Lakes tributaries (flies sizes 4 steamers, some weighted, down to 16 eggs and nymphs). I'm thinking a scandi head should be able to handle most of that, even though those are very different types of fishing. I'm a big Rio fan and will be sticking to this brand at least for my first line.

So my question is about the rio Scandi line (which I believe uses versieaders) and the Scandi Versitip (which uses density compensated tips). Head length seems similar when you add the tips or versileaders. So what differences should I expect between these two different scandi lines? How do they fish differently? Cast differently? In regards to swinging a fly? Fishing up and accross for steelhead?
Any insigh as to their differences, or other comments woul be most welcome!

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I had the same question and sent an email off to Rio, here is there response:

The RIO Scandi Short, RIO Scandi Short - Spey Fly Lines | RIO Products is more of a traditional Scandi head in that it tapers down pretty fine toward the tip of the head. It’s a beautiful casting head but like most Scandi’s it is not meant for casting larger flies or sinking tips. If you needed some light sinking capacity, you could loop on a light Scandi versileader, Light Scandi Versileader - Fly Fishing Leaders | RIO , which only weigh 46 grains and will cast like a champ on the RIO Scandi with medium to smaller flies. The RIO Scandi versitip and Scandi short versitips, Scandi VersiTip - RIO Products & Scandi Short VersiTip, Scandinavian - Spey Fly Lines | RIO are more aggressive Scandi’s in that they are not tapered down as far on the front end and are more capable as a result. They are capable of delivering a true sinking tip and a larger fly. The only difference between the Scandi Short Versitip and the Scandi Versitip is the length of the tips….the SSVT has 10’ tips and the SVT has the 15’ tips…one would choose based on the length of rod you would be casting. Please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Have a great day!
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My $.02 fwiw

Regarding the length of sink tips. Any sink tip being attached to a floating line will have to sink at an angle. Everything else being equal, the shorter tip has to achieve a greater angle to reach the same depth as the longer tip. Are you with me so far? Were we fishing still water, a sink tip might eventually obtain a 90° angle, hanging straight down. Never going to happen in moving water. So, for the sake of argument, let's assume the maximum angle any sink tip will be able to obtain is 30° The Sin value of 30°=.5 That means maximum depth for a 10 foot sink tip will be 5ft where as a 15ft sink tip will get down to 7.5 ft. This is all theoretical of course, it could be 45° or anything else. But .5 is an easy multiplier.

There are other factors to consider as well. Time, how long does it really take to achieve one foot of depth? Once depth has been achieved & the fly comes under tension, which sink tip design will better maintain that depth throughout the swing? Or perhaps it is better that the fly rise up in the water column as it approaches the near bank.

The line having the fine taper design is limited to the use of the Versi Leader & therefore restricted to the use of smaller flies. The Versi Tip line, on the other hand, has no such restrictions.

Ask & you will hear pro's & con's on everything. The only way to know for sure is to try it for yourself.

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Sinking tip will sink some of the floating end of line when the current is slow and even faster and more in still water and yet faster when using heavy and fast sinking tips..

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Thanks guys for the input!
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they both cast the same. Buy the Versatip. You will be happy.
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