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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 10-28-2015, 09:40 AM Thread Starter
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Sore bicep...ugh..

Not sure if it is just because this was my first real day of spey casting or if it is in the set up.
I am using a 13'3" Rainshadow RX7 8wt Spey Skagit rod with a grain window of 510 - 560
My line is a Rio Skagit 500gr and the head is a Rio i-Mow heavy 5&5
According to the Rio site I should be using the i-Mow Medium 5&5.
I think the reason I ended up with this set up is because I had the reel and was getting the line anticipating getting a R.B. Meiser 13'6" 8wt
The rod feels a little to me like it is being overloaded but since this is my first spey I am uncertain. I was able to cast for 4 hours but I found that the next day my bicep was sore.
Any input would be 100% appreciated.
Can the head have that much of an effect? Is the line, head rod combo wrong?
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post #2 of 28 (permalink) Old 10-28-2015, 09:51 AM
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I don't think your sore bicep is necessarily a result of a bad match as much as it is doing something different for 4 hours! A repetitive, unfamiliar motion for that length of time, no matter what that motion was, could create soreness.

Despite how enthusiastic you are, or how much fun it is, I'd move into this activity a little more slowly.

But by all means, stay with it and have fun.

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I don't know for sure but it looks like your set up is right on, rod should handle that skagit line and ANY Mow tips just fine. You should be able to use any Mow tips as heavy as 10' T14 with it it seems to me.

Something I do all the time and sort of hate to admit is to overpower the rod (or try to) with my upper hand and arm. Trying to learn to use that lower hand to power the rod. When I do not and use the upper arm to "push" the rod I too get pretty sore but I hope I am not insulting you with this suggestion, I know it just works that way for me.

Hope you get it sorted out but honestly it looks at least on the surface that your rod and line wt it pretty good.

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I do recall that I was using the fore grip to launch the rod and did not use the aft to do the work. I am rather certain of that. I was trying to shoot the line across the river and was disappointed that I couldn't get the distance I do with a double haul.
hmmmmmm..... need to watch some videos with the sound turned up.....
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Technique is so important , learn the basics and your pain will disappear. Sorry to be so blunt but it's the truth.
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If it hurts,,,

I've said this for years, if it hurts, you're doing something wrong. It's really sad that people who are teaching two hand casting, don't put more emphasis on this. Usually, it comes from trying to over power the cast, a natural thing to do when things go to hell in a hand basket. Too much body (back) english, too much upper arm, throwing the rod at the fish, etc.

Proper anchor placement & timing, getting in sync with your rod, technique, everything leading up to the final power stroke will yield amazing results with a lot less power than the other way around. If your anchor placement is not right, dump the cast. Start over, get the anchor right. And do not over power the cast & pull your anchor! A pulled anchor sacrifices power, and will probably cost you your fly as well.

Watch everyone, every style (more about that in a minute) listen to everything they say. At first it may amount to information overload, but some of it will stick. You can learn from everything, even from others mistakes.

Style: classic long line, Scandi, Skagit.They all look really cool, but before you plunge into any one style, realize they were each developed, by trial & error, to solve the problems encountered in their specific areas & the quarry in pursuit.

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Thanks for the input. I will work on this.
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. if it hurts, you're doing something wrong
JD's got it- that pretty much goes for anything and everything besides exercise and S&M.
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Is it the top arm bicep and are you doing a forward stop? Doing forward stop stress bicep and tendons and reduce casting distance!

Modern style casting uses longer stroke and line is released before rod is slowed. This increase casting distance when line speed increase and this also reduce body stress when rod is not stopped hard.

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I would agree completely with JD and Pere. Technique is the answer. Find a buddy or better yet, find an instructor. A couple hours of instruction can really save you from doing some damage to yourself and speed up your casting technique and ability. You'll be amazed how it comes together so easily.
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Not sure if it is just because this was my first real day of spey casting or if it is in the set up.
I am using a 13'3" Rainshadow RX7 8wt Spey Skagit rod with a grain window of 510 - 560
My line is a Rio Skagit 500gr and the head is a Rio i-Mow heavy 5&5
According to the Rio site I should be using the i-Mow Medium 5&5.
I think the reason I ended up with this set up is because I had the reel and was getting the line anticipating getting a R.B. Meiser 13'6" 8wt
The rod feels a little to me like it is being overloaded but since this is my first spey I am uncertain. I was able to cast for 4 hours but I found that the next day my bicep was sore.
Any input would be 100% appreciated.
Can the head have that much of an effect? Is the line, head rod combo wrong?
Thanks....
?upper biceps (tendon) @ anterior shoulder
?mid biceps (muscle) @ anterior upper arm
?lower biceps (tendon) @ anterior elbow


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I would agree completely with JD and Pere. Technique is the answer. Find a buddy or better yet, find an instructor. A couple hours of instruction can really save you from doing some damage to yourself and speed up your casting technique and ability. You'll be amazed how it comes together so easily.
Second that, my friend swiftcurrent took me out for a tutorial when I started out, a mentor can shorten the learning curve. You have to practice too. I personally took a lesson from a top drawer certified instructor, money well spent and costs less than the gear.
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sore bicep

I am with Greenbuttbomer and Bender, to much top hand and hard stop. You are talking to a guy who use to always have a sore bicep. Think lots of bottom hand it might solve your problem. slack
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Top bicep for sure. I was using the top arm to power the rod thru. I think I was ok with the anchor for the most part but on the cast I was using my top arm a lot. I do recall reading about using the lower arm to do more of the work but I guess on the river instinct took over.
I'll get it worked out i am sure. Thanks for the input and advice.
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Went out on the end of the dock today and did some casting. Did maybe 15 to 20 casts and it just seemed to feel like I was working harder than I should have. THEN all of a sudden this cast came from nowhere and shot out smooth and easy and as far as I had idle out. I was shocked! The another 20 to 30 casts later... BAM! it happened again. I ended up with 1 more sweet one over about 30 casts or so again. SO I know that it can be done just fine with my rod, I just need to focus more when I get a good one and remember how things were. I think this weekend I will set up the go pro and record casts until I hit a couple of sweet ones.
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