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post #1 of 6 (permalink) Old 03-17-2006, 05:33 PM Thread Starter
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30FT ST8 as spey addons ...

I found long ago raising full wetcel speylines from the water almost impossible with a spey rod ... the casting videos showed the pros struggling , even with wetcel2 ... as I already fished a set of ST8 : 1-4 density on my 9.5ft single hander - I then used same set appended to speyline 10/11 floater ... works well with spiral lift and some line recovery ... and provides better fish of the fly in high water ... the 15ft ends do not offer same drift or swim of the fly ... comments ?

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post #2 of 6 (permalink) Old 03-18-2006, 06:53 PM
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What AFTMA size and density of Wet Cel are you using?

Can your spey rod make clean pickups of this 30-foot sinking end?

Do you find that the 30-foot tip provides a more consistant positioning of the fly near the bottom, compared to 15-foot tips?

Yours sounds like an interesting approach. Perhaps it's the optimum compromise between the North American preference for sink tips of 15 feet and under, and the European preference for full-sinking lines.
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post #3 of 6 (permalink) Old 03-18-2006, 07:06 PM Thread Starter
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yes, clean casting ... and better controlled fly drifts ...

15ft sinktips, in certain flows of current cause the floating end to advance beyond the fly ... one should make 1 arial mend to set the angle of cast and then let the fly fish... a stop-and-start mending, has no appeal to salmonids ... my friend and guide in gaspe remarked long ago : that mending a sink-tip after a cast causes salmon to drop the fly ....

important : 30ft heads applied are 2 numbers less than the carrying speyline itself ... the less cast and lift you do on a great piece of river the better... the steelie or salmon will be less disturbed .... the spiral-lift works great with either spey or 9.5ft ST-mono RL outfit ... either will achieve same distance of cast ... last point tonite ... tragectory is very important in achieving added distance, where needed ... I have solved many caster glitches by observation .... "tailing loops" or "speyline-crashes" can be eliminated by elevation of the target area .... don't try to cast in flat plane ... launch upwards by degrees ...

in the eastern salmon rivers : lead-core heads ; and HID-SW heads are both out-of-bounds ... as is weighting flies ...

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post #4 of 6 (permalink) Old 03-19-2006, 02:48 AM
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secret's out i guess!

i've been using wetcell 9's cutdown to 16-18 ft(either end of a single hander line belly),looped or spliced to 10,11 dt`spey' lines,i just looped a 22 ft. section and it's ready to go get out the pasture and into some water,,(haven't fished a section that long yet),i've also (at times)added up to 4ft of leadcore trolling line to the `wet-tip'/weighted stoneflys,,,the lines cast great with an 18 ft'r!,huge smiles!,does take a different stroke or i guess,,without sounding scientific,you need to move the fulcrum around while creating the anchor(gee,that's a poor descripition,so i'll stop right there even trying) one trick i found was to make a couple full arm length strips of line in after the dangle,before the lift,,,30 ft. is a lot of wet line though! ,i also use 30ft saltwater shooting heads so,i'm familiar with them,,i usually have to strip those in,how much do you need to strip in before starting the cast(s) and with `what' rods are you using your lines?,i've only really used these lines of mine with 18ft'rs,the DT's seem to liike those rods,or is it,the rods like the lines =

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Sounds a lot like

the compensator that RIO sells. The Compensators are intermediate sink, so they wouldn't get quite as deep as a 30 foot tip, but they are nder the surface and they do come out of the water nicely.

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post #6 of 6 (permalink) Old 03-23-2006, 11:32 PM Thread Starter
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my success salmon fishing with 30FT 8wt ST, was reason for extending the 3M Mastery speyline 10/11 with the same heads ... in high water conditions slowing the fly down is key ... I have no trouble raising the head, either double or single spey ... combine single spey cast, with spiral roll lift ... using double-spey cast ... draw 2-3x with line hand before starting the 180 ...

always remember : ST added : drop 2 wts relative to floating line in use ...

"fishing strategy is more important than casting on the river " ... "how the fly swims, gets the fish "
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