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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 09-16-2015, 10:25 AM Thread Starter
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I will agree with all except the clinch knot, which can leave you with a twisted tippet end, like a pig's tail, as the lost fish swims away. Not so with the improved clinch knot.

I would replace the clinch knot with the 3 turn non-slip loop knot. A great knot to allow unimpeded movement of the fly.
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If only it were that simple. A standard clinch knot is better when using heavy bite tippet material and also when using tiable wire. The three turn non-slip loop is fine for 10 or 12# material, but you need more wraps when trout fishing with 5x for instance. I do my tarpon fishing with 50# bite tippet and only do two. My guide, when he does it, uses only 1! And it holds just fine. If using fluorocarbon or braid, then the Trilene version of the clinch is way better. That's twice through the eye before doing the rest and slipping the final tag under both wraps before tightening (non improved.) Knots were quite simple when we all used pretty much the same material, meaning nylon monofilament. It's gets a bit more complicated with all the choices we have today.
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Well, I dunno

I prefer an Albrite to a nail knot. And lately I've taken a liking to the Double Turlle knot, especially on upturned eye hooks. I like the fact that it gives a straight line pull off the hook shank. The guys at Marriott's fly shop in So. Ca. taught me the Uni Knot, sometimes referred to as the Duncan Loop. I always took it for granted that was the go to standard knot for trout fishing & the small flies associated with same. The one that continues to thtis day to defy me is, I think, called the Boatswain's knot, which is when all is said & done, the same as the perfection loop. It's just that it is tied onto something, like a hook.

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The Albright is stronger than the nail knot, even the nailless nail knot, but it is quite a bit bulkier. Use it where the strength needed is more important than the bulk. The double Turle is superb and there are several different ways of tying it, sometimes also called an improved Turle. The Duncan loop can also be used in lieu of the various Turles. Form the loop and thread it through the bottom of the eye, then swing it completely around the fly and then close it up. Uni-knots are often used for small flies, but the best knot I've learned for tight to the eye (as opposed to a loop) for most any size hook is the Pitzen. I still try to practice all these knots occasionally, but the truth is I don't often use any of them any more for actual fishing. I use braided loops for the end of the flyline (though I use a nail knot to secure the loop). I fish mostly with straight-eye hooks for steelhead and the like (mostly tubes and shanks) and therefore use the Kreh loop (a version of the non-slip mono loop.) The only time I don't use a loop knot is on fairly small dry flies and then I do use the Pitzen. Blood knots work great for tying similar size materials together and the surgeon's knot works better for the times when the material has more than a few thousandths difference.
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Thanks Jr Spey

That Pitzen knot is a winner! When I looked up the Pitzen knot on you tube, the Bowline knot was right next door, so to speak. That's the knot I had mistakenly referred to as the Boatswain's knot. And the guys explanation of how to tie that knot was so simple I think even I will be able to remember how to tie it.

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No double turle for steelhead flies?? I cannot remember the last time I had one of those fail.
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Ahhh a Bowline on a knot.

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That Pitzen knot is a winner! When I looked up the Pitzen knot on you tube, the Bowline knot was right next door, so to speak. That's the knot I had mistakenly referred to as the Boatswain's knot. And the guys explanation of how to tie that knot was so simple I think even I will be able to remember how to tie it.
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No double turle for steelhead flies?? I cannot remember the last time I had one of those fail.
Both JD and I referred to the double Turle as a superb knot. However, it works best on an up-eyed hook. Many of us no longer use those as often as we did a number of years ago. If you still use them then one of the variations of the double/improved Turle is a great way to go. I actually prefer the Duncan hitch as noted above, but both are fine knots.
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Both JD and I referred to the double Turle as a superb knot. However, it works best on an up-eyed hook. Many of us no longer use those as often as we did a number of years ago. If you still use them then one of the variations of the double/improved Turle is a great way to go. I actually prefer the Duncan hitch as noted above, but both are fine knots.
I was agreeing with the two of you; my reference was to Fred's link.
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