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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-11-2005, 05:07 PM Thread Starter
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Hy there all,

First off all I would like to say that I'm from Holland so I'm not a native english speaker.

I would like to tell you from what position I'm starting. I'm not a newbee in flyfishing, but I'm still wet behind the ears concerning Doublehanded flyfishing.
Since I live near the sea and there are not many nice rivers where I live I'm focussing the last couple of years on saltwater flyfishing.
Up untill now I'm flyfishing of the dykes (no not on my wooden shoes) and beaches with a #8 and #11 single handed rod. Because I want to cover as much water as possible and with as less affort as possible I bought a Double handed rod (TFO 12'6" #8). I think this is a nice rod to start with.

Currently I'm practicing with a Sage Single Handed WF11 preformance taper on my double hander, but the rod feels a bit underloaded. So I'm looking for a good line. A BIG problem is that I can't see what I should buy. The only line manufacturer that gives a bit information is RIO, but still this is not sufficient enough to make a decision. An another problem is that almost none of the Dutch wholesalers have DH lines in stock to try.

I've got a couple of demands for my line and maybe somebody can give me some advice or better direct me to info concerning my problem.

Rod: TFO 12"6" #8
Use: cold water
Casting : overhead
I would like to shoot a lot of line, because on the dykes there is not much space for a backcast (you know the windmills and stuff). Is there something as a shooting head for DH and is it wise to start with as a newbee.

I would also like to have a multitip with at least an intermediate and a slow/fast sinking line

Thanks in advance,
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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-11-2005, 05:38 PM
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A couple of my best friends have moved to Holland in the last few years. I hope to go visit this year.

Shooting heads are a certainty where two handers are concerned. They are capable of huge distances with either Overhead or Spey casting techniques. The lines have been used in Scandinavia for a long time now and some companies have fine tuned the hardware. The Guidelines Power Tapers are arguable on of the best two handed Spey lines on the planet. Cast one of the babies on your TFO and you will never look back. The varietiy of full sinking heads in these lines makes fishing a sunk line effective and easy.

The PT also comes as a DDC this year which allows you to customize the sink rate of the front 4 meters of the belly as well as the poly leader.

As a newbie this is a very easy system to learn to cast with. I do suggest you polish the technique at shorter distance before you try to hit the 200 foot mark. Work on laser beam loops with 50 feet of line and soon you will be capable of much more.

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post #3 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-11-2005, 06:09 PM Thread Starter
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Guidelines has no dealers in holland so testcasting or even ordering will be a very big problem.
If your coming to Holland and want some tips on the fishing overhere just drop a line.

Currently I'm taking a "RIO windcutter Spey line" in multitip execution in consideration, but any additional comments are very welcome.
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Why not get a Rio Scandinavian VersiTip 8/9. It has easy to follow instructions for setting it up for either overhead or underhand casting. Here is alink on Rio's site that describes this line.

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post #5 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-12-2005, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by dorretje
Hy there all,

First off all I would like to say that I'm from Holland so I'm not a native english speaker.

Uh oh, a Netherlander that cautions us about his English skills reminds me of a fellow that has "never played poker but wants to make a small bet to keep things interesting."

I'll bet dorretje is fluent in four or more languages and speaks better English than most of us. If not, my head is an ice blockje!

Just in case we Americans get too cocky, remember the Dutch traded New York to the Brits in exchange for Indonesia.

Welcome to, dorretje, a family of fine and helpful folks.

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post #6 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-12-2005, 08:38 AM
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I have that rod

For what it worth

... as a matter of fact the TFO 12.6 is the only spey rod I have.... and the only spey line I have is the RIO Windcutter 8/9/10 multitip. Keep in mind I don't know what I am doing yet in the spey world but that line seems to load the rod fine and I can cast the heaviest tip 80 ft with a fair sized fly.

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If you are strictly going to overhead cast honestly both the guideline and windcutters are not your best choices. Windcutter is too long and guideline is OK overhead but a better spey casting line IMHO. I have never been found of them overhead.

If you have a RIO dealer check out the OUTBOUND integrated shooting heads. Perfect length for overhead and very nice lines. The spey cast OK but since it sounds like you are just interested in overhead these are the lines you want to check out. These lines were built with 2 handed overheaded casting in mind and I use them exclusively for saltwater fishing with my two handers.
Either a 10 or 11 wt should work on your rod and they come in a full array of floating to fast sink choices.

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Assuming you are spey casting, Simon's recommendations for that rod are dead on, I would recommend and 8/9/10 Windcutter spey line.

If you are overhead casting, the Rio Outbound 11-weight is the best choice.

Good luck and I hope you like that rod.....

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post #9 of 9 (permalink) Old 12-15-2005, 11:53 AM Thread Starter
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I want to thank you all for your replies. My choice is made, it's going to be a RIO outbound #11. Does anybody know how far I should be able to cast with this combination?

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