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post #1 of 6 (permalink) Old 10-17-2005, 03:58 PM Thread Starter
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Poly leaders as sink tips

This might be a variation on Double L's sinktips thread.

I was putzing for sea run cutts and maybe an odd steelhead yesterday with my Spey Tracker. I wanted to try a deep sunk fly but haven't made a Spey line with a sink tip for this rod. I looped a 10' fast sinking polyleader to the short head (52') line and it was like I didn't know how to cast this rod (perhaps almost, but not quite true). I was just flailing and couldn't seem to roll out any amount of line . . . until I accidentally slowed down the casting motion after pulling the line up to my anchor point, I slooowly formed the D loop and pitched the rod forward, and chucked the whole works out there as easily as with the floating line.

Now I'm puzzled as to why that appeared to work. The polyleader added 10' of length, but it was a trout sized and not that much weight, but more than without. Why would the slower casting motion pick it all up and send it on its way?

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The polytip has a higher weight density than your line and will pick up more speed than the flyline if you are starting your pickup to fast. This will result in a bad anchor where the leader will not be in straight line with the flyline. It's therefore very crucial that the anchor is perfect when casting with polytips. When you slowed it all down you probably cast much nicer with starting slow and accelerated through the moves. If the anchor is bad you will never get a perfect forward cast. I will guess that if you are starting more slowly in general you will get better casts without the polytips too.
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I think McIntyre's appraisal is right on the mark.

I use my Spey Tracker with 9' of Rio 200gr Custom tip and cast it Ed Ward Skagit style with a line designed by Ed. The sustained load style allows the rod to load and positively fire the line out.

The Tracker (as well as the Solstices) perform the best when you allow the rod to do the work. This is best accomplished with these full flexing rods by slow smooth applications of power on the lift and the power stroke.

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Thanks, guys. I think you're right, in that I ought to slow down a bit regardless of whether I've got a sink tip or poly leader on my line. Apparently, the floating line let me get away with a faster tempo in the casting stroke, and that sinking leader just wasn't gonna' go with that program.

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You should not forget that by adding 10 foot of polyleader you have increased the size and weight of line outside the rod, and are therefore trying to throw a longer heavier head. If you still find yourself struggling, try stripping in more line before the back cast and D loop, and you may not have to slow down as much.

Also, as with any sinking line, you may have to achieve better timing and get your forward cast moving quicker. With sinking lines I find that you should be moving into the forward cast just before your anchor hits. I'm no expert on casting, but it works for me.
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I use polyleaders all the time!

My favorite: Arifloo 8´ and 10´ Fastsink...they are perfect to fish whit a line like "the yellow" Guideline PowerTaper Floating/Sink1 and on others similar and on Intemediate lines.

A standard set up for the Mörrum salmonfishing i May whoud be:
15´ rod whit 9-13 reel, Floating/Sink1 line and fastsink 10´ polyleader
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13´ rod whit 8-12 reel, Floating/Sink1 line and fastsink 8´ polyleader

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