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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-04-2014, 11:11 AM Thread Starter
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Shooting to backing connection

Question about what type of knot I should use for my Dacron backing to shooting line connection.

When I purchased my SA shooting line it had loops at both ends. I went to my local fly fishing shop to buy Dacron and have them spool it onto my reel. At the last minute I asked the guy at the shop to spool on the shooting line also.

Instead of creating a loop in the Dacron and creating a loop-to-loop connection with the running line he cut off the loop in the shooting line and created a connection using a nail knot. I was kinda pissed that he cut my line without asking. This was the 2nd time I’ve had a bad experience with this guy, at this particular shop, so I just wanted to get outta of there instead of dealing with him. Never going back.

So my question is what knot can I use to create a connection between the backing and running line so that it will go smoothly through the guides if the lines gets pulled that far out. (I know, a bit wishful in my thinking!).
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He already did it for you. A nail knot. You can put some UV knot sense on it to smooth it out a little more. An Albright is another common knot for that connection, but slightly bulkier.
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I second Brady recommendations .
UV Knot-Sense creates a smooth coating over top the knot and it just glides through the guides
For what it's worth , I never use the rear loop for attaching running line to backing . I prefer to strip the coating off of the running line and tie a Blood Knot with the tag ends . Then coat with UV Knot-Sense .

The guy should have explained the different methods and then ask your opinion before he went ahead and did what he did . It's just good customer service in my books .


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Thanks.

Mike - Do you splice the shooting line, cut off the spliced portion of the PVC (leaving the core), tie the knot, then cover it with UV Knot Sense?
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I cut off the loop , if there is one , usually not , I use the Snowbee Hi-Vis running lines now exclusively and strip the coating off . I use 12lb Maxima , half-hitch and pull short sections of coating off until I get about 5"-6" off . Then tie a 5 turn Blood Knot and trim close . I then apply a thin layer of UV Knot-Sense over the Blood Knot and use a toothpick to apply a coating over the stripped end of the running line .
I've been doing this for about 7 years now and haven't had any failures . The transition just flows through the guides easily and the running line stays intact around the stripped off end .



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Loop 2 loop

The best way.detach running from backing.detach head fro running.head to leader.i dont have enough money to be cutting flyline.backin.leader.only tippets.
blindsplice the dacron.weld the loops.loop the leader double sturgeons the tipp..
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I like the Albright with UV Knot Sense to keep is smooth and add a little extra strength/confidence. Relatively small and goes through the guides without any issues.
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Albright knot as well. Never a problem.
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Don't use knots they only catch in the guides right when you don't want them to.Cut the loop off the running line(as already has been done) take a 2ft length of 30lb hollow braid and feed the running line 1/2 way in,then take the braided backing and using a bobbin threader or a length of fine nylon feed that into the other side until it butts up to the running line.Take a quality waterproof superglue(Zap A Gap or such) and apply a drop to the braided backing and shooting line through the hollow braid then allow to dry(not loads just enough to cover 1/4" either side)Smooth the hollow braid down and whip over the hollow braid where it overlaps the running line and again where it over laps the braided backing.Take some Aquasure and apply two thin coatings over the Whipping ONLY!,smoothing it right into the whipping turns with a wet finger,allow to dry for 24hrs in each case.This is tough as old boots,will last for ever and a day,run in and out of the rods guides all day long with barely a whisper and no obstruction whatsoever.That in my opinion is how a backing join should be ,secure and unobtrusive.Best of luck,Yorkie.
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running line to backing

I am not a big fan of the nail knot whenever powerful fish are involved. The nail knot has been known to strip the coating off fly lines and, although I can not recall hearing of running line coating being stripped off by a nail knot, it would bother me none the less.

IMHO: Nothing goes through the guides better than a double blind splice connection. The next best thing would be a loop to loop connection. Third choice would be an Albright. Maybe strip the coating off the running line, fiddle with the Albright knot to work it up as close to the coating on the running line as possible, then coat it with your favorite stuff. I'm kind of partial to Pliobond.
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My experience has been a bit different than JD's, I have never had a nail knot fail at this connection. That includes Tarpon and Bonefish; you just need to wrap about 8 times. Gelspun however is tricky...I will loop that one as I don't trust nail not connections with that. I have been able to pull those apart. As an adage to this discussion, I don't loop anything anymore. I even nail not my tippet to the fly line. Takes a little more time changing things around but much smoother going through the guides.

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I prefer loop to loop connections, but I have no problems with nail knots either. Given that you already have a nail knot set-up you can make it easy to switch lines (assuming that is what you want the loop to loop for) simply cut the backing about 2' from the knot and tie a double (or triple) surgeon loop about 5 or 6" long. then another in your backing - voila loop to loop.

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There are certainly lots of ways to connect your backing to the running line. I've tried them all. What i've found to be the strongest is to use 30# dacron and form a blind splice loop in the backing and attach that to the running line. For years I used the nail knot without problems so certainly that is an option (which your store used). My big game setup only has to support salmon to 30# and I've never had a problem. The fish see backing often....

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Spliced loops to welded loops all the way! Your line will break before it will and smooth as butter. Only those without OCFD aka obsessive compulsive fishing disorder might be getting away with other methods

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As so many have said..loop to loop is ideal...and with so many running lines now becoming available with long loops it is even better...however..I still prefer a double nail knot from backing to running line..spaced about 8" apart...easy to do and certainly good insurance when entering the potential frightful time when a big fish has you distant and hanging on. The advantage of this of course is the very small diameter knots and doesn't take a bit of brain work to get it done well .
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