Shooting to backing connection - Spey Pages
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rating: Thread Rating: 3 votes, 5.00 average. Display Modes
post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-04-2014, 11:11 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 21
Shooting to backing connection

Question about what type of knot I should use for my Dacron backing to shooting line connection.

When I purchased my SA shooting line it had loops at both ends. I went to my local fly fishing shop to buy Dacron and have them spool it onto my reel. At the last minute I asked the guy at the shop to spool on the shooting line also.

Instead of creating a loop in the Dacron and creating a loop-to-loop connection with the running line he cut off the loop in the shooting line and created a connection using a nail knot. I was kinda pissed that he cut my line without asking. This was the 2nd time I’ve had a bad experience with this guy, at this particular shop, so I just wanted to get outta of there instead of dealing with him. Never going back.

So my question is what knot can I use to create a connection between the backing and running line so that it will go smoothly through the guides if the lines gets pulled that far out. (I know, a bit wishful in my thinking!).
Rhnam is offline  
Sponsored Links
post #2 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-04-2014, 11:18 AM
Carp aficionado
Black Zonky's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Great Lakes & Farm Ponds
Posts: 1,214
He already did it for you. A nail knot. You can put some UV knot sense on it to smooth it out a little more. An Albright is another common knot for that connection, but slightly bulkier.
Black Zonky is offline  
post #3 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-04-2014, 11:30 AM
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: All Rivers flowing into Georgian Bay
Posts: 17,663
I second Brady recommendations .
UV Knot-Sense creates a smooth coating over top the knot and it just glides through the guides
For what it's worth , I never use the rear loop for attaching running line to backing . I prefer to strip the coating off of the running line and tie a Blood Knot with the tag ends . Then coat with UV Knot-Sense .

The guy should have explained the different methods and then ask your opinion before he went ahead and did what he did . It's just good customer service in my books .

fredaevans, JDJones and glcaddis like this.

Have you Swung a Spey Fly today ??
GR8LAKES FLYER is offline  
Sponsored Links
post #4 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-04-2014, 11:40 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 21

Mike - Do you splice the shooting line, cut off the spliced portion of the PVC (leaving the core), tie the knot, then cover it with UV Knot Sense?
Rhnam is offline  
post #5 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-04-2014, 11:46 AM
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: All Rivers flowing into Georgian Bay
Posts: 17,663
I cut off the loop , if there is one , usually not , I use the Snowbee Hi-Vis running lines now exclusively and strip the coating off . I use 12lb Maxima , half-hitch and pull short sections of coating off until I get about 5"-6" off . Then tie a 5 turn Blood Knot and trim close . I then apply a thin layer of UV Knot-Sense over the Blood Knot and use a toothpick to apply a coating over the stripped end of the running line .
I've been doing this for about 7 years now and haven't had any failures . The transition just flows through the guides easily and the running line stays intact around the stripped off end .

fredaevans likes this.

Have you Swung a Spey Fly today ??
GR8LAKES FLYER is offline  
post #6 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-04-2014, 03:31 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: lakeside
Posts: 231
Loop 2 loop

The best way.detach running from backing.detach head fro running.head to leader.i dont have enough money to be cutting flyline.backin.leader.only tippets.
blindsplice the dacron.weld the loops.loop the leader double sturgeons the tipp..
My 2cents
JDJones and pond.olive like this.
kyleedge is offline  
post #7 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-04-2014, 03:34 PM
Registered User
MikeB's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Southern Ontario
Posts: 207
I like the Albright with UV Knot Sense to keep is smooth and add a little extra strength/confidence. Relatively small and goes through the guides without any issues.
MikeB is offline  
post #8 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-04-2014, 11:12 PM
6919'15.35" N 1844'22.7
David Dalan's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Snake
Posts: 15
Albright knot as well. Never a problem.
David Dalan is offline  
post #9 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-05-2014, 10:31 AM
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Tay,Tweed,Ribble.
Posts: 428
Don't use knots they only catch in the guides right when you don't want them to.Cut the loop off the running line(as already has been done) take a 2ft length of 30lb hollow braid and feed the running line 1/2 way in,then take the braided backing and using a bobbin threader or a length of fine nylon feed that into the other side until it butts up to the running line.Take a quality waterproof superglue(Zap A Gap or such) and apply a drop to the braided backing and shooting line through the hollow braid then allow to dry(not loads just enough to cover 1/4" either side)Smooth the hollow braid down and whip over the hollow braid where it overlaps the running line and again where it over laps the braided backing.Take some Aquasure and apply two thin coatings over the Whipping ONLY!,smoothing it right into the whipping turns with a wet finger,allow to dry for 24hrs in each case.This is tough as old boots,will last for ever and a day,run in and out of the rods guides all day long with barely a whisper and no obstruction whatsoever.That in my opinion is how a backing join should be ,secure and unobtrusive.Best of luck,Yorkie.
gjq and Cutthroat1954 like this.

Last edited by YORKIE; 04-05-2014 at 11:18 AM.
YORKIE is offline  
post #10 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-06-2014, 07:20 PM
JDJones's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Rogue River State of Jefferson
Posts: 3,607
running line to backing

I am not a big fan of the nail knot whenever powerful fish are involved. The nail knot has been known to strip the coating off fly lines and, although I can not recall hearing of running line coating being stripped off by a nail knot, it would bother me none the less.

IMHO: Nothing goes through the guides better than a double blind splice connection. The next best thing would be a loop to loop connection. Third choice would be an Albright. Maybe strip the coating off the running line, fiddle with the Albright knot to work it up as close to the coating on the running line as possible, then coat it with your favorite stuff. I'm kind of partial to Pliobond.
fredaevans likes this.

I fish because the voices inside my head tell me to.
JDJones is offline  
post #11 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-07-2014, 04:32 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Umpqua
Posts: 283
My experience has been a bit different than JD's, I have never had a nail knot fail at this connection. That includes Tarpon and Bonefish; you just need to wrap about 8 times. Gelspun however is tricky...I will loop that one as I don't trust nail not connections with that. I have been able to pull those apart. As an adage to this discussion, I don't loop anything anymore. I even nail not my tippet to the fly line. Takes a little more time changing things around but much smoother going through the guides.

Cachanded is offline  
post #12 of 27 (permalink) Old 07-19-2015, 04:31 PM
Registered User
kush's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Somewhere between the Grizzly Bears and the Machine
Posts: 3,042
I prefer loop to loop connections, but I have no problems with nail knots either. Given that you already have a nail knot set-up you can make it easy to switch lines (assuming that is what you want the loop to loop for) simply cut the backing about 2' from the knot and tie a double (or triple) surgeon loop about 5 or 6" long. then another in your backing - voila loop to loop.

Tight lines - tyler.

CND Rods North America
Next Cast Casting Team
Aquaz Waders
Vice-President Steelhead Society of BC

Formerly Spey Pages Team
kush is offline  
post #13 of 27 (permalink) Old 07-20-2015, 11:15 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Northeast USA
Posts: 175
There are certainly lots of ways to connect your backing to the running line. I've tried them all. What i've found to be the strongest is to use 30# dacron and form a blind splice loop in the backing and attach that to the running line. For years I used the nail knot without problems so certainly that is an option (which your store used). My big game setup only has to support salmon to 30# and I've never had a problem. The fish see backing often....

grinr likes this.
qcanfield is offline  
post #14 of 27 (permalink) Old 07-21-2015, 12:52 AM
domantas's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: WI, MI, IN
Posts: 3,034
Spliced loops to welded loops all the way! Your line will break before it will and smooth as butter. Only those without OCFD aka obsessive compulsive fishing disorder might be getting away with other methods

Flyfishing, Jeeps, tattoos, love, rock & roll and other religious matter.
domantas is offline  
post #15 of 27 (permalink) Old 07-22-2015, 10:36 AM Vendor
NCFS's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 537
As so many have said..loop to loop is ideal...and with so many running lines now becoming available with long loops it is even better...however..I still prefer a double nail knot from backing to running line..spaced about 8" apart...easy to do and certainly good insurance when entering the potential frightful time when a big fish has you distant and hanging on. The advantage of this of course is the very small diameter knots and doesn't take a bit of brain work to get it done well .
Tight lines...>>>
NCFS is offline  

Quick Reply

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Spey Pages forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Linear Mode
Rate This Thread:

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fly Backing Connection pennel Tackle 13 08-14-2013 10:58 PM
Backing connection RJ ruwe Spey Basics 19 04-25-2013 03:57 AM
shooting line shooting head connection BROWN BOMBER Spey Basics 12 08-26-2011 05:38 PM
Best knot for backing to backing connection KENAIKING Tackle 4 04-07-2007 04:26 PM

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome