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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 02-10-2016, 06:40 AM Thread Starter
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I seriously need a lesson. I'm having a lot of problems casting river right because I've learned only casting g d loops river left (I think I got that right). I'm just looking to go out for a few hrs with someone local so I can learn a few tips. I think it'll help being able to at least watch someone else. I've been solo every trip and watched many videos, but I think I need a personal touch.

Can anyone recommend someone in the Buffalo area that may be able to provide a quick lesson? Not looking for a guided trip as I can care less about catching a fish. I just need to get these casts down. Snap T isn't coming easy for me. Thanks !!
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that would be a good question to ask at the Oak Orchard Fly Shop - Main St Williamsville

nice people to deal with

and if they don't give lessons - they will know who does and is good at it

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Perfect. Thank you!!!
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Unfortunately they have closed.
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wow

when did that happen?

i have not stopped by there in several months


not many good shops left around,

you could check with the Orvis shop- the Rochester store gives lessons- not sure about spey


the other long term planning choice is to plan a trip to the Spey Nation event on the Salmon River in June - lessons are given there and it is a lot of fun

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See if you have someone out your way that can show you single-handed modern spey casting, lots of single handed fly fishermen that can show you modern spey. Translate that with two hands on the rod. I went through the same issues. Then I simplified it with my trout rod by using only one hand to understand the theory of the d-loop, loading the rod, the anchor. I believe I started will the roll cast then gradually incorporated all of the other moves. The foundation of modern spey is the roll cast. There are plenty of videos out there. I continue to revisit my videos to this day.

I would also recommend you going to Salmon River, NY you will see some of your Brother Spey Fishermen out there and are more than willing to give anyone with a spey rod advise. Then there is Malinda's in Altmar she can also direct you.
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Google Pat Miura. Great spey casting instructor - lives in the Salmon River area. I think he is on the T&T pro staff too.

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I think it'll help being able to at least watch someone else. I've been solo every trip and watched many videos, but I think I need a personal touch.
Generally there is a problem on many Skagit videos and "instructions" when "constant load, CL/CM, no pause etc." comes up! It is not necessary and often it leads to a casting fault which is called "Creep" which is unintentional rod moving to the following casting direction before the actual cast is began. I am not saying you have this but you should ask the instructor that does he/she know it and what is done if it exists. Or just ask if instructor himself/herself uses the pause when the D-loop forms.

I got Creep problem when I began Skagit (watching Skagit Master) so I know how it makes casting bad and how difficult it was to cure.

And to all of you who want to attack me again (read: "proof yourself ignorant") Please at least first watch recent OPST videos where there are many very nice (Creep free) casts where pause is used.

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Thanks guys. I'd love to fish the Salmon river one day. When it's a little warmer I'll venture over. Especially for the Spey Nation event.

Appreciate the video tip. I see there a few different styles of double spey, which is the cast I've primarily been using. The snap t hasn't come as easy to me just yet.
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Skagit style casting has quite a bit of tricky moves Perhaps you should try a Single Spey using only the Skagit belly and rod length of mono leader using Underhand style where after the line lift rod is not lowered but kept very upright and the back cast to the D-loop is done slowly. When line head is short instead of sweep the move approaches a "sway"!! Pace is only slightly faster than on a Roll Cast which should be the first thrill. Then little by little increase the speed and then begin to turn the casting direction again little at first.

Then instead of tricky Double Spey the Snake Roll is quite easy when line head is short and there directing the cast across the river is easiest right away.

I have read many times that self learning casting the "weak" hand up has been relative easy and that it is possible to teach it to have even better technique if "student" knows what went wrong when the "strong" hand up casting was learned. I did use a piece of broom stick and watched myself from a window reflection.

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Thanks guys. I'd love to fish the Salmon river one day. When it's a little warmer I'll venture over. Especially for the Spey Nation event. .
See you at Spey Nation on 6/25/16, I plan also on attending. Bringing my Trout Spey and do the Salmon River, maybe hit on some of those Summer Steelhead, I heard that place is loaded with those large Lake Ontario SM Bass during the summer !
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