Digital Cameras - Spey Pages
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 3 votes, 5.00 average. Display Modes
post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-10-2006, 03:35 AM Thread Starter
chrome-magnon man
 
Dana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: west coast steelhead/salmon, BC/Alberta trout
Posts: 5,375
Digital Cameras

I've been using a digital camera for several years during various schools and clinics, and have found them to be invaluable. Recent advances in digital technology have made cameras like the Pentax Optio W10 availalble that will allow you to take stills and movies in most conditions then play them back later frame-by-frame to allow casters to really see what they're doing.

Anyone else using cameras as part of their teaching, and if so, what are your experiences?



Dana is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-10-2006, 04:37 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Oregon
Posts: 344
I'm not really an instructor, but, I do help my kids when they are not around Al, Klem, Stan, etc., so maybe my comments have some meaning.

I've had a W10 for over a month now, and taken several videos of casting. I have found the videos to be the BEST way to identify faults, and communicate them. The video is particularly potent when combined with pictures of proper technique:

After a fault is identified, the video can be viewed by scrolling slowly through, and perhaps stopping at a key part. The video/picture can be compared with a picture of proper technique, as, for example, from Simon's book. Here are some of the things we noticed and/or communicated recently. (Our first casting sessions in many months, and most of last year was a bust for the kids because of injuries, so maybe they were off form...)

Me: Fail to raise the hands/rod tip as the d-loop is forming, with the potential to increase line stick.

Olga: Rod tip path during d-loop formation is nearly parallel to the water, so that all the lower leg can hit the water at once.

Roman: Stroke is too short because of creep.

My experience is that the use of a digital video for casting analysis is great!

--Bill
SparseHairHackl is offline  
post #3 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-10-2006, 05:33 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: GGACC to the Aleutians
Posts: 2,100
Does the Optio W10 have an optical viewfinder?
Bob Pauli is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-10-2006, 08:44 PM Thread Starter
chrome-magnon man
 
Dana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: west coast steelhead/salmon, BC/Alberta trout
Posts: 5,375
nope, it does not.



Dana is offline  
post #5 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-11-2006, 02:24 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Rogue River
Posts: 11,027
Way Yin/Steve Chote 'normally' use a good dig. video camera. Same reasons noted above but you can also play back via a large screen TV set. Again, you can fast forward, back, freeze frame, etc.



fredaevans is offline  
post #6 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-11-2006, 05:07 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: N.Santiam/Deschutes
Posts: 273
Playback method Question

Bill and Dana,
On the river, how do you handle the playback? Is the view screen of your camera big enough to allow "SEEING" clearly? Or do you go to a TV for playback? My little views screen is not adequate for on the river use. I have to go to my TV set to get an adequate image. Curious how you all handle the clear image "thingie" on the river..

Klem,.....................::::::::::::::::::>

When the fish gods smile, I smile too!
Klem is offline  
post #7 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-12-2006, 12:16 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Oregon
Posts: 344
Dwight,

I doubt any digital camera has an LCD sufficient for on-river use. The W10 has a very nice 2" LCD, but I don't think it would suffice for that. Perhaps a digital video camera with a much larger LCD would work, but I'm not even too certain about that.

We just review the videos on the PC. With a laptop on the river...hmm, maybe I'll try that sometime.

--Bill
SparseHairHackl is offline  
post #8 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-12-2006, 01:25 AM Thread Starter
chrome-magnon man
 
Dana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: west coast steelhead/salmon, BC/Alberta trout
Posts: 5,375
The W10 LCD is ok if you zoom in during filming, but it is best played back on a TV later. The notebook option would work as well--I have a private lesson next week and I'll give that a try.



Dana is offline  
post #9 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-12-2006, 11:00 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: N.Santiam/Deschutes
Posts: 273
Thanks

Will my wife go for a laptop computer so I can use it on the RIVER???? But honey, It will really help the students!!! I have been thinking about getting a TV set-up in my rig for playback but the notebook idea hits the mark. Great idea Bill. Now convince my wife we need a laptop!
Klem,.................:::::::::::>

When the fish gods smile, I smile too!
Klem is offline  
post #10 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-13-2006, 03:15 PM Thread Starter
chrome-magnon man
 
Dana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: west coast steelhead/salmon, BC/Alberta trout
Posts: 5,375
I tried the camera with casting instruction on the river today and the 2.5" LCD works great on it. You can zoom during filming so the image is a good size and clear as well.



Dana is offline  
post #11 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-14-2006, 08:33 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Great Lakes
Posts: 445
.............We took a laptop to MI with us,worked well. Use the Canon A620,a great little camera. While it isn't water resistant,it continued to work well after a dunking while landing one of mjyp's fish! A quick shaking,after we noticed the wake in the water caused by the camera,and all was well!
I'm sure Canon doesn't recommend that cleaning method!
spey machine is offline  
post #12 of 45 (permalink) Old 06-01-2006, 01:45 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Western New York
Posts: 131
Smile

I'm not that knowledgable on cameras and am looking for a low cost camera for an upcoming fishing trip. This W10 looks like a good option. Maybe I'm missing something here, but how do you frame in a subject you want to photograph if you don't have a view finder. Or does the LCD display take care of that?
chromedome is offline  
post #13 of 45 (permalink) Old 06-01-2006, 01:52 AM Thread Starter
chrome-magnon man
 
Dana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: west coast steelhead/salmon, BC/Alberta trout
Posts: 5,375
yup,

the LCD lets you frame things up. It is a good size on the W10 and it is easy.

underwater though you have to point and click, taking several shots and hoping one works--the W10 has a power wind feature that lets you shoot several in a row. Leave it on wide angle and you can crop later. Takes good underwater video too...



Attached Images
 
Attached Files
File Type: mpg boots.mpg (1.21 MB, 232 views)
Dana is offline  
post #14 of 45 (permalink) Old 06-01-2006, 01:53 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Great Lakes
Posts: 445
to see,or not to see....

...............Chromedome,my Canon has a screen,and a viewfinder. The lighter it is outside,the harder it is to see the display. if you have a viewfinder,it is always easy to compose your picture. The 620 has a great screen that rotates and pivots,but I almost never use it. Too many years using 35mm I guess.
spey machine is offline  
post #15 of 45 (permalink) Old 06-01-2006, 10:46 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Western New York
Posts: 131
Smile

Thanks for your help! It sounds like the LCD way of framing may not always be real quick and simple, but would certainly be adequate for nearly all conditions. I would be mainly using the camera for taking pics of fish released but want to take some scenery shots as well.
chromedome is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Spey Pages forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Linear Mode
Rate This Thread:



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Waterproof digital cameras? BEK General 1 01-22-2005 05:18 PM
NFR:Digital Cameras kush General 2 01-22-2005 04:16 PM

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome