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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 06-25-2004, 01:34 AM Thread Starter
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Spey Glossary

Leroy's latest post in the "Anchors" thread below and Juro's Casting Glossary started in the Forum, along with a conversation I had with Al Buhr a few weeks back, has me thinking that it might be a good idea to start a glossary of Spey-related terms here on the clave in order to clear things up or perhaps further muddy the waters!

As Leroy points out, "anchor" and "grip" refer to the same thing, the contact of the leader and in some cases some of the line with the water prior to the completion of the forward stroke. Two others are "white mouse" and "rooster tail", both referring to the "riffle of spray" that follows the spey line as it is pulled from the water during the D loop formation of the double spey and snap-t/circle spey casts.



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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 06-25-2004, 03:20 AM
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Dana,

Even things like "forward spey", "slide the line upstream", "D loop lift", "pull rod", "push rod", and "firing position" can be confusing to new spey casters.
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In spey casting, the sequence of things is very strong. Perhaps in addition to an a-z reference such terms could also be shown from start to finish through the cast, starting with grip and progressing into the cast sequence, then into line control and heck even landing fish. A glossary might even include things like equipment notes (uplock/downlock seat) and taping up, line types and leaders.

Another side benefit is that we would be inclined to settle on more common terms like the word "spiral" which seems to be interpreted rather loosely at this time in another thread, etc.

Great idea Dana!
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Hey when are we going to start the Glossary of Spey Casting terms? Think now would be a good time since several board members have a lot info fresh in their minds about Spey Casting.
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Leroy,

I'm going to kick this around a little behind the scenes over the summer and post what I come up with for feedback as it develops. Suggestions on terms to define are welcome.



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terms to know

apart from those terms which we associate with single hand casting as well (arc, load, etc), which spey specific terms should we be concerned with?

anchor
grip
stick
lift
D loop
V loop
white mouse
rooster tail
key position
launch position
sweep
crossed loop
bloody L
slack anchor
piled anchor
soft D
casting styles (traditional, modern, scandinavian, skagit)
parts of a spey cast
kinds of casts


others?



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angle of aim
drift
lead
creep
dipping
trunk
top leg
wedge
bottom leg
body rotation
vee grip
backhand grip
shooting
line loop management
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here we go!

your feedback is welcome! let's bat these around and sharpen them up!

anchor: the brief contact of the leader and a forward portion of the line with the water prior to the completion of the delivery cast. Also known as grip and stick.
grip: see anchor
stick: see anchor
lift: the initial movement of every spey cast. Breaks the line from the water so that the line can be redirected in preparation for the delivery cast.
shift: repositioning of the line so that the spey cast can be made towards its intended target. Note that in some casts (such as the single spey) the shift and loop are part of the same overall motion
loop: as part of a spey cast, the formation of the D loop
launch: execution of the delivery cast.
Delivery Cast: the final forward cast. Delivers the fly to its intended target
D loop: the large loop of fly line that forms beneath and behind the rod tip during the back cast portion of a spey cast. The D loop provides the line weight needed to load the rod for the spey cast.
V loop: a specialized form of D Loop that gives the D Loop a pointed or V-shaped nose, like this: >
white mouse: the "riffle of spray" that forms as the line is removed from the water during the D Loop formation of the double spey and snap-t/circle cast. Also known as rooster tail.
rooster tail: see white mouse



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I know how tough it is to get a glossary together as it took me forever to get one done for my new book. It will never be up to date, of course, but it is pretty comprehensive, with descriptions of all the terms I use, and have heard used.

If anyone is interested let me know and, if Dana agrees, attach it to a file to put on these pages.

It's a lot of reading!

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that would save me a lot of work!

Yeah, Simon, go ahead and put your glossary up--that would be great!



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Dana,
great idea, and great thread.
Nothing like keeping it simple, as the terms (et all) can be quite daunting for some.
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Very cool! Can't wait to see it
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Loop?

Do you mean that "loop" only refers to the D-loop formation? What about the forward loop on a delivery cast? Klem

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