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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 09-12-2003, 02:32 PM Thread Starter
 
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Need some advice on casting

I am very new to this long rod casting and would love to learn more
I have a few questions
1) Can you shoot line to the "D" loop to increase your distance?
2) When using a Snake roll pick is there a rule of thumb as to how much you can advance up stream.

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1) Generally speaking, no. The ideal length of line to form a d-loop is not really benefitted by slipping line into it because it increases the tendency for the loop to lose it's tension, which is key to loading the rod for the forward stroke. I suppose it's possible but would introduce additional complexity to the whole affair. Maybe there's someone out there who does that, if so I defer to them.

2) When using the snake roll, the position of the anchor and the direction that the top half of the d-loop is pointing defines the proper direction for the forward cast. Therefore if you coil the spiral so that the anchor lands with an upriver angle and the d-loop forms fully with the top half pointing toward an upriver target, it's possible to cast upriver with a snake roll. Generally for the common river presentations used with spey rods this is not done. Swiveling the body during the snake can greatly increase the upriver angle. Some expert casters are able to do 180 degree single speys, so a snake roll with a huge angle should be cake for them. I've never practiced anything more than 45 degrees upriver myself so am not the best one to answer.

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Al,

The D-loop is the key to the cast. Most good distance casters focus their energy in the formation of a really dynamic D-loop and almost let the forward stroke "take care of itself".

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post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old 09-12-2003, 04:37 PM Thread Starter
 
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longer cast

Thanks guys,
3) How can I increase my distance?
By shaking line before the back cast?
By shooting after the forward cast.?
Start out with as much line as I can handle and stay with that?
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It will depend on what type of line you are using. A short belly - like a Windcutter or mid-length line like a Mid-Spey will involve having the head outside the rod tip and shooting the running line. Whereas with a longer belly line you may indeed work out all you can handle and stick with it.

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Hi Al!

Yes, you can shoot line into the D loop, but generally it isn't necessary, and tends to be a bit fiddly. I sometimes do this with a MidSpey or Long Delta.

As a replacement for a double spey, the snake roll is most often used to change 90 degrees, but you can change less or more. On the single spey side you can change any angle, with practice even 180 degrees or more. If you use a shorter line like a Windcutter or Long Delta, once you get the line off the water, if you maintain tension you can execute a 360 degree move if you like. What the fishing applications are of this I'm not certain, but it is fun.



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post #7 of 9 (permalink) Old 09-13-2003, 12:45 PM Thread Starter
 
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Question line

I have a Cortland 9DT Spey.
Looks like a long heavy DT to me.
I am useing it on a 11-1/2 ft home made 9 wt rod.
I wanted to get the rhyeom and movements. I am working on getting enough background on spey casting so I can get the best spey rod for me.
Starting slow. But this board has given me a JUMP start.
thanks Dana, juro, & kush

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Have you seen the Rio video with Simon Gawesworth? I like Derek Brown's video for starting out as well. Seeing just how it's done really helps, and these two guys can really cast.

Now if we can just get Dana to finish his video
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question Group III

Ok guys,
Here is my question for today

Here in Texas we have STRIPERS yes fresh water striped bass They run up to 50 lb. One of the better lakes is Texhoma on The Red River north of Ft. Worth, Tx
These fish are taken using DEEP running flies
Can a Spey Rod fished with full sink line get down to 30 ft.?
If you would like to know more Try <www.teamgrady.com> to learn more about fly fishing for Stirpers here in Texas.
He tells how to set up a deep running line for fly fishing.
Thanks again.
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