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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-19-2014, 04:21 AM Thread Starter
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Checking Credentials

How do you go about checking the credentials of a casting instructor who is not on the Spey Pages list?
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Ask for references???

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Good idea...

The chap claims to be an FFF certified instructor. His paperwork, he says, is in storage... His website states only that he is certified, but not by which body. Reviews from previous clients are quite mixed. Stay away?
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If reviews from previous clients are mixed, then regardless of qualifications/certification, I would stay away - there will be plenty alternative instructors as personally recommended from members here


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To each, their own.

My spin on the issue includes two points. First, I'm sure the FFF or other sanctioning body has a website with a list of their instructors. If your potential instructor is lying about this, why trust him with a lesson? Who needs phony bologna?
Second, and personally far more important to me, is the instructor's reputation. Calls to 3-4 former clients, and then to one or two of their predecessors, should yield much more information than their certification.

In many fields, certification documents a level of competency. Seldom does certification give the best indication of a quality lesson.

If possible, go with the instructor that has certification and good/great references. Why not provide business to the person who will give you the best for your money?
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I did try to access the FFF database, but Canada is a country truly foreign to the FFF. But good advice from all. I detected a wee bit of a whiff, not a dead body, but enough to attract a wee cloud of flies when I heard "my documents are in storage". There are so few instructors up here that I did try to back check rather than just walk away. Looking for a situation to have some instruction for a new caster, as a gift. Reluctant to jump in myself in case it doesn't work.
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If reviews from previous clients are mixed, then regardless of qualifications/certification, I would stay away - there will be plenty alternative instructors as personally recommended from members here


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There are 'qualification/certification's and the meet head (spelling intended) couldn't teach a Dog how to sit down. Some instructors can 'communicate,' some can't and that will vary with the client. Here we have a few, Nate Bailey comes immediately to mind, and have a total 'Nob' whipping out 2hander line in 20 minutes.

Well, that's about the amount of time it took me when I handed him his first two hander.

Which reminds me; just handed over my 2/3 trouter for him to 'test' in SE Oregon. Must remember to follow up ... and get a pan fried trout dinner. Side of salad would be good.




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The chap claims to be an FFF certified instructor. His paperwork, he says, is in storage... His website states only that he is certified, but not by which body. Reviews from previous clients are quite mixed. Stay away?
FFF certification doesn't mean much in my book... nor does any other certification..

can the guy cast and can the guy teach and can you get along with him those are the things that matter...

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Best instructor I ever met was Rich Henery; a Kalamth Indian.

Guy was HUGE in size but to coach a Lady total magic. Arms around them (no offence intended) and swing their arms with a 2hander as they listened (I kid you not! ) to Classical music. He favorite was Ravel's Baloro. Think I spelled that right. No matter.

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Single-hand or THCI?

The basic CI certification does not, in my experience, mean very much. I can cast better than some of those guys. And I want to be very clear on this -- I am *not at all* bragging about my single-hand casting ability, if you get my point.

OTOH, the THCIs I have worked with know their stuff, absolutely. Whether the standards or higher or I'm just lucky, who knows. More to the point -- there aren't that many of them, and even fewer people who are "qualified" to give the exams. If you ask a few people involved in the FFF THCI program and nothing comes back, well, you have your answer.
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CI or THCI...

I was looking for a situation for a few lessons for a new caster. I looked at the list here on Spey Pages first because I am under the impression that a THCI would have been a CI first...seems like a logical conclusion. I am not interested personally in a debate of whether or not certification means all that much. What does interest me is a chap claiming to be a certified instructor (and charging accordingly) and quite possibly NOT being certified at all! It is a matter of character, of integrity, not of casting ability. I have fished with a fellow that was a total scoundrel, and he could cast like an angel...
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To be clear my post above was indeed directed more at question of integrity.

One thing I came back to add: I believe it is necessary to keep up FFF dues/fees to "maintain" the certification. So it's entirely possible to have passed the exams and have been "certified" at one point, yet no longer appear on the FFF list.
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Go to the FFF website and search for the instructor. If he is current and in good standing they will be listed.

To all always keep in mind that any IFFF certification in more about teaching than the casting performance. With that said as an examiner I always test teaching ability and depth of knowledge.

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He is not there...

I checked the IFFF list. He's not on it.
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and I wouldn't hesitate to let him know you know... we have enough crap to deal with let alone casting instructor imposters

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