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Choice of Cast..
It depends.... But assume a dry line/fly presentation... and do it again with a different line, say a 20 fott sink tip/large(r) tube fly
SCENE 1: I am facing the river from the bank, about 3 feet deep where I stand, about 15 feet away from the fairly noxious overhanging tree line behind me
The river flow is from my left to my right
The wind is from my left to my right (downstream)
The fish I sighted is about 75 feet across from me, about 45 degrees angle downstream
ANSWER: ??
SCENE 2: I am facing the river from the bank, about 3 feet deep where I stand, about 15 feet away from the fairly noxious overhanging tree line behind me
The river flow is from my my left to my right
The wind is from my right to my left (upstream)
The fish I sighted is about 75 feet across from me, about 45 degrees angle downstream
ANSWER: ??
SCENE 3: I am facing the river from the bank, about 3 feet deep where I stand, about 15 feet away from the fairly noxious overhanging tree line behind me
The river flow is from my my right to my left
The wind is from my right to my left (downstream)
The fish I sighted is about 75 feet across from me, about 45 degrees angle downstream
ANSWER: ??
SCENE 4: I am facing the river from the bank, about 3 feet deep where I stand, about 15 feet away from the fairly noxious overhanging tree line behind me
The river flow is from my my right to my left
The wind is from my left to my right (upstream)
The fish I sighted is about 75 feet across from me, about 45 degrees angle downstream
ANSWER: ??
This is not a test for instructors but an attempt to show what I believe would be important to learn at a seminar for new Spey Casters, and be reasonably capable of executing a cast to the fish. Illustrations on a whiteboard, like hand position on the rod etc. would be usefull to help understand the differences.
SCENE 1: I am facing the river from the bank, about 3 feet deep where I stand, about 15 feet away from the fairly noxious overhanging tree line behind me
The river flow is from my left to my right
The wind is from my left to my right (downstream)
The fish I sighted is about 75 feet across from me, about 45 degrees angle downstream
ANSWER: ??
SCENE 2: I am facing the river from the bank, about 3 feet deep where I stand, about 15 feet away from the fairly noxious overhanging tree line behind me
The river flow is from my my left to my right
The wind is from my right to my left (upstream)
The fish I sighted is about 75 feet across from me, about 45 degrees angle downstream
ANSWER: ??
SCENE 3: I am facing the river from the bank, about 3 feet deep where I stand, about 15 feet away from the fairly noxious overhanging tree line behind me
The river flow is from my my right to my left
The wind is from my right to my left (downstream)
The fish I sighted is about 75 feet across from me, about 45 degrees angle downstream
ANSWER: ??
SCENE 4: I am facing the river from the bank, about 3 feet deep where I stand, about 15 feet away from the fairly noxious overhanging tree line behind me
The river flow is from my my right to my left
The wind is from my left to my right (upstream)
The fish I sighted is about 75 feet across from me, about 45 degrees angle downstream
ANSWER: ??
This is not a test for instructors but an attempt to show what I believe would be important to learn at a seminar for new Spey Casters, and be reasonably capable of executing a cast to the fish. Illustrations on a whiteboard, like hand position on the rod etc. would be usefull to help understand the differences.
Pete AKA Frenchcreek from Calgary
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Lots of 'potential answers' but the 'wind' is the crux of
the situation in my limited view.
Down stream wind you have more options, such as the snake roll, perry poke, etc.
Upstream wind (blowing up stream into your face-safety issues here) you have less options. There, assuming up/down stream clear water, I'd probably be doing a circle cast. Idea here is to use a cast that sets your 'anchor' out in the river 'in front' of you ... not wrapped around your neck.
The snap t could also work but for me the cast is ackward as all heck.
Down stream wind you have more options, such as the snake roll, perry poke, etc.
Upstream wind (blowing up stream into your face-safety issues here) you have less options. There, assuming up/down stream clear water, I'd probably be doing a circle cast. Idea here is to use a cast that sets your 'anchor' out in the river 'in front' of you ... not wrapped around your neck.
The snap t could also work but for me the cast is ackward as all heck.
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It really depends on the strength of wind in moderate or less winds I still use a single spey no matter what side of the river I'm on. I learnt to sppey cast using my left hand on top, so when I changed side life was easy.
Only as the wind strenthens I require to double spey. I do not go in for snap t, or perry pokes whatever.
Malcolm
Only as the wind strenthens I require to double spey. I do not go in for snap t, or perry pokes whatever.
Malcolm
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Scene 1
Pete,
This will take a while - I can only focus on one situation at a time :eyecrazy:
I agree with Fred the downstream wind leaves alot of options. With the nasty tree 15' behind you it is likely there is enough room for all the D-loops to be able to form. Generally, if you have a rod length's space you can use most any cast.
Since I am using a long belly line I think problems could result if you were trying to get any real distance on your cast. For example, my cast of choice here would be the snake roll, however, it does have a tendency to punch the D-loop back a bit - the tree would come into play on say 80+' casts. If the wind wasn't too much I'd use a back-hand single spey that is a bit of a square cut cast that throws the anchor out a bit.
Failing that I would likley use the snake roll version of the Perry Poke. This is the snake but with a half-assed forward cast (the D-loop wouldn't be pushed back too far) then picking up the collapsed line forming a D-loop that stays out front and boom - out goes the cast.
As I hinted above, a shorter belly line would probably mean this situation would pose no problem at all - a good ad for short belly lines!
This will take a while - I can only focus on one situation at a time :eyecrazy:
I agree with Fred the downstream wind leaves alot of options. With the nasty tree 15' behind you it is likely there is enough room for all the D-loops to be able to form. Generally, if you have a rod length's space you can use most any cast.
Since I am using a long belly line I think problems could result if you were trying to get any real distance on your cast. For example, my cast of choice here would be the snake roll, however, it does have a tendency to punch the D-loop back a bit - the tree would come into play on say 80+' casts. If the wind wasn't too much I'd use a back-hand single spey that is a bit of a square cut cast that throws the anchor out a bit.
Failing that I would likley use the snake roll version of the Perry Poke. This is the snake but with a half-assed forward cast (the D-loop wouldn't be pushed back too far) then picking up the collapsed line forming a D-loop that stays out front and boom - out goes the cast.
As I hinted above, a shorter belly line would probably mean this situation would pose no problem at all - a good ad for short belly lines!
Tight lines - tyler.
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Ooh, ooh, a quiz! I'll try my hand at this.
1. Spiral cast or double spey.
2. Reverse Snap-T, or as Sinktip would comment, a Reverse Snap-C minus.
3. I still don't do left bank. But if I did I would try a reverse spiral cast or reverse double spey.
4. Throw rocks at the damn Mergansers eating all the fry.
Did I win something?
mmm
1. Spiral cast or double spey.
2. Reverse Snap-T, or as Sinktip would comment, a Reverse Snap-C minus.
3. I still don't do left bank. But if I did I would try a reverse spiral cast or reverse double spey.
4. Throw rocks at the damn Mergansers eating all the fry.
Did I win something?
mmm
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Kush,
poke the snake ? really is that legal? I know they let you get away with a lot on that side of the 49th parallel. (I remember seeing Mitsey Dupree at the Ocean Beach)
poke the snake ? really is that legal? I know they let you get away with a lot on that side of the 49th parallel. (I remember seeing Mitsey Dupree at the Ocean Beach)
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Scene #2,
This is an easier choice for me. The back-hand single spey is the first choice, second choice the back-hand Perry Poke.
This is an easier choice for me. The back-hand single spey is the first choice, second choice the back-hand Perry Poke.
Tight lines - tyler.
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Scene #3,
See answers for #1, except off my left sholder (backhand).
See answers for #1, except off my left sholder (backhand).
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Andre,
You are confused, I am talking about poke the snake, not pop the ping pong ball!.
You are confused, I am talking about poke the snake, not pop the ping pong ball!.
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Damn Pete,
I get to #4 before I read it is not a test
!
Anyway, you see the trend in my approach to the situatons
I get to #4 before I read it is not a test
! Anyway, you see the trend in my approach to the situatons
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Yeah, I figure you made a trip or two to the beach.
btw, not going to be able to make it this weekend bummed but have other stuff going on.
a
btw, not going to be able to make it this weekend bummed but have other stuff going on.
a
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Andre -
Have you heard of the snake poke or perry snake before? I thought I might of invented it accidentally the other day along with a new fly line knot that required a ball point pen tip from my truck to loosen! The knot remains nameless.
Juro
Have you heard of the snake poke or perry snake before? I thought I might of invented it accidentally the other day along with a new fly line knot that required a ball point pen tip from my truck to loosen! The knot remains nameless.
Juro
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J, No sounds like between and Kush you guys have that one.
Sounds like the subject line to spam
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Sounds like the subject line to spam
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