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post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old 03-25-2003, 06:39 AM Thread Starter
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single spey: straight pull or rod tip dip?

How do you teach the single spey? Once the lift is made and the rod canted out to the side do you have students pull the rod straight back and up into the launch position or do you have them dip the rod tip with a 1/2 moon or shallow saucer arc on the rearward pull?

also, something I've found helpful when teaching the single: "lift, pivot and pull." This seems to help some casters conceptualize what you are doing during the cast.

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post #2 of 5 (permalink) Old 03-25-2003, 11:39 PM
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A couple of meathods I use are.Explain the "Waltze timing"for those not familiar.Then demonstrate.
1-Line on the dangle,lift 2-3,sweep 2-3.Tap.
Talk about how a plane lands,then again demonstrate.
2-Lift to approx. 10 oclock position,use two fingers only and pull rod tip back in a straight line path (painting the ceiling).When line lands(like an aeroplane),anchor,tap forward.

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2 cents worth here only.

"No dip;" the rod tip, due to line loading will do this anyway. More is not better.

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I don't teach the rod tip dip to someone just learning how to make a single spey. Some of this is due to the newcomer's unfamiliarity with the lift, anchor, cast of the single spey, and some of it is due to the shorter line (50 to 60 feet) I have the new caster use when learning the movements of the single spey.

I have found that when I teach a new single spey caster to dip the rod tip as I and nearly every other experienced single spey caster I have seen does, it only confuses the newbie. Also, newbies very rarely will have the extra long belly line on his/her rod, and the dip is not really needed to make a decent single spey with the Windcutter length lines.

I want to make the casting movements as simple as possible for a person just learning to single spey so s/he gets the basics of the single spey down in the easiest way to explain it possible.
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post #5 of 5 (permalink) Old 03-27-2003, 01:07 AM
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Rod tip dip.....


I teach the "rod tip dip" and use the 'shallow saucer' analogy. I use the same motion when I single spey. I don't have a bias one way or the other, it is simply the way I was taught.

When the rod stops at the end of the "rod tip dip," I tell the caster to imagine that his/her rod tip is frozen is a square centimeter of space behind him/her. The forward cast begins from this spot.

This analogy seems to cut back on the tendency for the hands to creep closer to the body; it also helps keep hands, rod, line, and most importantly rod tip in that magical 180 degree alignment fore and aft.

I don't teach the Underhand cast, but I fish with it extensively. With the Underhand cast, I use less "rod tip dip." With a shorter head like the Adapted line, I often get away with just a straight pull and no "rod tip dip." Not sure if this is right, but it feels good and is less tiring over a long day.

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