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Sandy River Spey Clave 14

Seems that the idea spawned from these very pages, I figure I could ask you guys for some ideas in what you would like to see at this years Sandy River Spey Clave?

What would you keep, and what would you discard from last years Clave? You guys have made it what it is so your input is invaluable.

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As you've probably noted in these pages there is a fair amount of interest in long lines, and last year you didn't have any demonstrations IIRC, the previous year I think Travis did a long line demonstration. Might be a good demo topic to add back in.

For me, the glass is neither half-empty nor half-full, but rather twice as big as it needs to be.
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Not sure if I'll be able to make it

The 2013 Sandy clave was my first time attending one, so my limited input should be taken as that of a newbie. First off, I really was impressed by how big of a production it is and how many good folks I met. Quite enjoyable, and very informative with the immense knowledge base there. Probably for me the biggest attractor initially was the chance to get a lot of exposure and instruction/guidance to help direct my learning curve. Got more than I bargained for in that regard. The free casting clinic was really, really nice and extremely helpful!

The one thing that I didn't catch, but I think would be really cool would be more stuff on fly tying as well. This could be formally set up, in terms of presentations; or more loosely as more of a social setting. Either way I think could add another layer to the experience, although I think my preference would be for more of a social tying session or two. Either way, I hope I can attend again this year. Thanks again for all the work putting this together and keeping it going,
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As you've probably noted in these pages there is a fair amount of interest in long lines, and last year you didn't have any demonstrations IIRC, the previous year I think Travis did a long line demonstration. Might be a good demo topic to add back in.
That's interesting you mention that, as the clave was my introduction to the long line concept. Completely by accident, I ran into a couple of good folks who were spending most of the clave playing around with a variety of long lines.

They were all clearly much more experienced casters than I, it was fun and educational to watch them pick apart the casting stroke. Eventually I worked up the nerve to give it a try myself, and got a lot of encouragement and advice. Not exactly elegant in my hands, but not exactly a failure either. Part of what made the clave such a cool experience for me, and certainly pushed my own learning curve into a higher gear.

I too would be very interested in a presentation/demonstration on long lines; casting and fishing them, as well as talking about some of the various lines on the market and how they perform.
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Completely by accident, I ran into a couple of good folks who were spending most of the clave playing around with a variety of long lines.
Yeah, Gene O., Greg B., Bryan S., Charles St.P, others were out on the beach a lot with long lines. I too ventured into it and Gene O. was really excited to help out, changing out lines, rods (he's the B&W rep) and giving pointers. Maybe even a long line clinic that's part of the beginners casting session? (wait a minute, there might have been such last year, but I think I decided to hit the river and fish instead - my bad)

For me, the glass is neither half-empty nor half-full, but rather twice as big as it needs to be.
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Maybe even a long line clinic that's part of the beginners casting session? (wait a minute, there might have been such last year, but I think I decided to hit the river and fish instead - my bad)
You might consider dividing the Free Beginners Lesson into a couple of different skill levels to separate those with little or no experience with those with previous experience. That could include a focus on long lines.
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Seems that the idea spawned from these very pages, I figure I could ask you guys for some ideas in what you would like to see at this years Sandy River Spey Clave?

What would you keep, and what would you discard from last years Clave? You guys have made it what it is so your input is invaluable.

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Bob Larsell and myself, but it was Mark that provided the fuel to make the engine go. Bob was the one that suggested Oxbow Park. First one had (maybe?) 50-60 attendees; lets just say the second one was a heck of a lot bigger. Lamiglas fellow with rods in the back of an old yellow pick up, Sage and other reps with rod tubes in the back of their cars. RIO with their new lines, etc.

And bottles and bottles of Single Malt Whisky. Lunch and dinner were what every you had tossed into a big pot. We shared forks after a quick wash off under a faucet. Swapping rods and lines, a good time save for the fellow we left sleeping on top of a picnic table.

As to suggestions, and this may not be practical at all, but break the sessions down into smaller bits with the 'Leader' and a dozen folks. Even with a PA system it was darned hard to hear what was being said. A smaller group here, a small group over there. Repetitive for the presenters, I would think so, but he will have everyone's rapt attention.

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Has the event out grown Oxbow?
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Seems that the idea spawned from these very pages, I figure I could ask you guys for some ideas in what you would like to see at this years Sandy River Spey Clave?

Had a fantastic time at the show many years ago, when Scott Mackenzie and myself attended, the only thing that stopped us coming back was that we were not allowed to sell any products over the weekend.
Had a great time, but without sales the cost of travelling to the show makes it just not viable .
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how about a video tent?

In my experience the Clave is mostly an "on the bar" event, with experts providing demos of casting techniques. My interest tends to be too short for this approach - although I did learn the Snap-T there years ago. A video tent could afford casting lectures, airing cool films like Kiss the Water, or fly tying demos. Besides, you could put up the Disney Channel to entertain the tykes when not being used otherwise.

I support the "no sales here" approach, but have no objection to vendor reps. offering free-bees or discount cards to get us in their doors.
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Bob Larsell and myself, but it was Mark that provided the fuel to make the engine go. Bob was the one that suggested Oxbow Park.
God, number 14!
I kind of recall someone from So.Ca. suggesting the Sandy river as a "central" location. And since Mark Bachmann wrote the book on the Sandy, who else to better know where on the river?

Whatever happened to the Weight Forward Belly Club & The Scotch Drinking Squirrels?

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Lightbulb "No Sales Here Approach" - let's rethink it.

I personally would like to see sales at the Spey Clave. It would be great to buy a rod or reel then play with it right away. I purchased my first rod at a Spey Clave event many years ago. I then got some pointers on casting that rod and a line recommendation from the factory rep on the river. That put me far up the learning curve on two handed casting that day.

I don't know if sales entail additional permits, but I would think that the draw of additional luminaries of the Spey world brought by the opportunity for commerce would be worth the hassle and expense of a commercial permit.

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I don't know if sales entail additional permits, but I would think that the draw of additional luminaries of the Spey world brought by the opportunity for commerce would be worth the hassle and expense of a commercial permit.

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I would think it likely would NOT be worth it to a local fly shop to loose out on some potential sales. Just a guess on my part, but that would be a pretty understandable concern in my opinion.
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Re: no sales approach

Perhaps a brief history lesson is in order.

Several fly shops, local to the area, showed up at the very first Sandy Clave with a very limited selection of rods & lines available to try. I do not recall any of the factory reps or anything near what we see today. Not sure exactly how, but word got out & some of the best of the PNW talent also attended. No meals were served, free or otherwise. You were on your own. And they locked the gate at sundown, so if you went to town for dinner, there was a very distinct possibility you would be locked out upon return to the park.

As mentioned in previous posts, Mark Bachmann was singled out (pressured if you will) from the get go, to find a location and set this thing up. I could be wrong here but, I suspect there was little, if any, support offered by other fly shops in the years immediately following. IMHO the Sandy Clave has grown to what it is today, largely through the efforts put forth by Mark, Patty, & The Fly Fishing shop. Even though the no sales policy may be thought by some a competitive effort, no one is twisting anyone's arm to buy through The Fly Fishing Shop.

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Several fly shops, local to the area, showed up at the very first Sandy Clave with a very limited selection of rods & lines available to try. I do not recall any of the factory reps or anything near what we see today. Not sure exactly how, but word got out & some of the best of the PNW talent also attended. No meals were served, free or otherwise. You were on your own. And they locked the gate at sundown, so if you went to town for dinner, there was a very distinct possibility you would be locked out upon return to the park. More later.
The second year it was 'all Mark. Can't speak for now, but back then nothing was "For Sale." You try, you like, you call (his) shop on Monday and order up. Can only think of one minor exception and the fellow sold very good fly reels (none of the shops carried same) and he'd do 'side deals' in his tent.

The order up may be the under pinnings of why flyfishusa has such a huge Internet presence?




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