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post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old 09-19-2010, 06:14 AM Thread Starter
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Lightbulb Rogue River 'Mini' Spey 'Clave yesterday on the Rogue.

Weather not withstanding (and a few distributors that turned out not to be there) an out standing fun day. Jim Jones and I arrived at 0900 and the place was already well populated! The on-water instructions were unfailingly good; I really learned 'new stuff.' And I do mean NEW STUFF vis a vis the use of a two hander rod. One of the better bits was several of the instructors were using 'switch rods' (short spey's if you will) for their demos.

Bit after bit of new insights on 'why things work,' or if you want them to work better 'try this.' Clear communication with the 'students.'

The best part!!!! Bob Meiser had my new 3-4-5 12'6" (a true 4wt if you ask me), and Steve Gotshall had my custom made line for same READY TO RUMBLE!! Boy's and Girls, this is not just a fishing rod, it's a Bloody work of Art!! Without actually putting this Puppy on a scale I'd doubt the finished rod weighs would top 4 oz. And that's for a twelve and a half foot long rod. A total feather!! Speaking of 'The Feather' (just above the handle is Bob's trade mark), it's NOT a feather, it's a HAND PAINTED FEATHER!. And unless you had you nose a couple of inches away, you'd never know. Even then you have to set you mind to what you're about to look at. The paint work is flawless!

The grain weight window for this rod (weight of head) is 250 to 400 which (top end) seems a lot, but the spread would allow you to use light tips with this rod. The line Bob chose for me (and Steve hand built**) was a grand total of 280 grains or the very bottom end of the range. Why? Bob says 'I've watched you cast for years and you tend to put every thing you've got into the forward stroke (after a slow set up of the D loop?) so I started light, and we may want to cut it down a bit further.'

Line compensating for caster faults???

Married these two up on a reel with a 16' leader and a bit of fluff for a fly and off we go ......... Kids, you don't cast this rod, you just 'flick your wrists' and 60' of line/leader are off the reel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As casting room (as in to the far bank) was limited, that's as far as I could go save for casting down stream. But the next 'class' was lined up on the bank behind me and needed the water.

After Jim and I got home (dinner together last night) we stripped the 'Head,' running line and backing off the Tioga and slipped them onto my new (as in out of the box new) - DRUM ROLL PLEASE - Hardy 'The St. Aidan' reel. Perfect fit, just wind her on, pull off a few feet to hear that Baby Scream .... TOTAL JOY!!


** Line markings. Steve does something I've never seen before, and made HUGE SENSE. He puts the line marking information on his hand crafted lines at the leader connection, NOT at the back end of the head. That way, one quick glance at the reel and you know exactly what line you have loaded. Never seen that before, but a really great, and simple answer, to an 'age old problem' of what the hell's on this reel. Yes, yes, line makers give you a small peel off sticker, but with a lot if fishing I give you a couple of years before that's total history.

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post #2 of 5 (permalink) Old 09-19-2010, 12:30 PM
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Hey Fred,
Sounds like fun. I'm gonna fish the Rogue this week and was wondering... is the 12'6" 3/4/5 a new rod from Meiser? I looked at his site and didn't see a 1206-3/4/5.
I have his [10'6"] 3/4, with the same grain window, love it, use it for trout all the time, but am reluctant to use use it for steelhead. Wanted to make sure it it wasn't a typo.
(Damn, I may have to get another rod!)

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...The best part!!!! Bob Meiser had my new 3-4-5 12'6" (a true 4wt if you ask me)...

The grain weight window for this rod (weight of head) is 250 to 400 which (top end)...

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Sorry for the over simplification Ant. The 'exact' rod is the S2H12635C4. The 'Greater Good' is when Steve builds you a line for this rod it is THE line for YOU for this rod. The major factor he appears to take into account/factor in is your 'casting style' (info from Bob is suspect) so where the rods grain range is 250 to 400 you may be a better match with a 325 grain head, someone else at the 400 ... or Yo-Yo's like me .... the bottom end. Just try to over power THAT LINE Fred!!

Edit: Your timing here could be good. Raining off and on from Friday night on (strong shower only yesterday) and coming down pretty hard so far this morning. Weather forecast is this will go away by Monday. Corp of Engies' is dropping the river flows as I type. The fresh shot of rain (first of measurable account we've had in months) will really pull up the fish that have been hiding between Grants Pass and Medford PDQ. So with the river dropping (rain not withstanding) you'll find fishing conditions to be excellent. With the Gold Ray dam (the one/only fish counter in the entire Rogue System) a history lesson can't give you a 'fish count' other than to say mid-September through October is the peak of our Summer run numbers in the top 30 miles of river. Right now (with the higher flows) the fish have been spread from hell to breakfast .. but not anymore. The lowering flows will tend to pull them together and make 'feather chucking' a far easier task ... as in finding same.

Even better part is the Rogue actually has (like the upper Columbia Rivers) a "A" and a "B" run of fish. The first (and most) will run 2-5 pounds on average. The "B" run babies will be twice that size on average. As the flows drop down to the 1,000 cfs level (or less) I'll really lighten up on the tippet. Typically I'll be at 6# to the top fly and be as low as 4# for the trailer. With a weighted 8 on top and as small as a 10-14 as the trailer I find the the first gets their attention, but it's the tiny trailer that they grab. With 4# leader in front of that you quickly learn to 'bow to the fish' with your rod tip or it's over in a few seconds if Mr. Fish decides to go airborne. Suspect the far lighter rod (tip flexibility) will really help with a slow reaction time.

Can't wait to find out if I'm right on the above.


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post #4 of 5 (permalink) Old 09-19-2010, 05:18 PM
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I agree 100% the event was really good. and your new rod is awsome Bob and his people did a steller job on it. Thak yo Gary and those who put on the event I look forawd to next years. I will try and get into Jeff Puttnam's spey school. The food was great as well, Bob can cook a mean sasauge dog. the whole event was a great welcoming event to all levels of two handed aficionados.

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Smile "...Can't wait to find out if I'm right on the above."

Thanks, Fred. I'm really excited about the trip.
If your in the neighborhood of the Rogue Regency, stop by and I'll buy you a beer (or two!).

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