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spey o rama 2008 questions

hello !!!

first of all congratulations to all the people that make that event possible.I was in my computer all the morning whatching the photos and reading those posts with the results and others and i couldnt get out of my chair.

exellent!! may be one day i could be there with a few argentine friends to learned with those monsters and perhaps practise in a few pools.

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is any or is it going to be a spey o rama 2008 dvd with the competition.I want to see those guys in action and of course those beautifull female winners.


Next is do they use shooting heads or full lines.

And the three winners what lines and rod do they use.

What hapened with that discussion of perry pokes,do the winners use it and does it worth it.

Sorry is it to many questions but im getting spey friend addict.

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Hi Agus,

I think I can probably answer most of your questions...

I do not believe there will be any DVD stuff on this year's SOR, however, Simon Hsieh has some video footage that we may be able to get up on Spey Pages.

This year all the competitors were using long belly lines - most were between 75' and 85', but there were at least a couple of 100'ers.

1st Simon Hsieh - used a "secret" rod that I believe he built and his Nextcast competition line.

2nd Doug Duncan - I am not sure of his rod but he too used the Nextcast line

3rd Simon Gawesworth - used the CND I-Spey Ultimate 15 rod and a 1200 gr line that RIO made.

The Womens Champion - Takako Inouye also used the CND Ultimate 15 and I believe the 85' CND 12/13 "Competition" line.

As for Perry Pokes, the SOR rules committee stayed with their ruling that Pokes would only be allowed with heads of 55' or less. It did not matter as there were no competitors using short lines. So unless some of the Skagit Jedi start coming out to compete it seems that the Day of the Poke is over for SOR

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Thanks very much tyler.

Wow ..i Thought as far as now you need shooting heads for shoot the lines to heaven.A big mind change to me.

If simon H put the video would be great.I think i saw a thread he needs a space to put the video(perhaps im dreaming)I borrow my space(i dont now what exactly that means) if its necesary.

Tyler what did you use in spey orama?Dont you prefer to use shoot lines instead of long belly lines.?

For finish im going to tell you that i went to t del f and use my spey rod for my first time in my life (loomis old glx 13/8) with a compact cnd skagit ,was a good experience.But in the middle of the week i used one morning a shooting head(think was an afs)and looks much easier and feel like casting feathers if we compare to skagit lines.

thanks tyler again!!!!

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Agus,

I used the CND Ultimate 15 and a "customized" 12/13 GPS. The stock 12/13 has a 100' belly, we cut the head down to 85'. What you have to understand is that these competition long belly lines are used just like shooting heads - all 85' of the head is outside the tip and we are shooting running line after it.

From what I see it seems that the longer belly lines are more successful in distance casting in that the weight being distributed over the longer length help maintain the momentum needed to turn over lines at great distance. That said Scott O'Donnell finished 3rd a couple of years ago using a Skagit style line (that was as thick as a clothes-line). He rocked that thing out there a mile, it wasn't pretty but it got out there. Interestingly, Simon Gawesworth used the same set-up that year with less success - this year he used a long belly and finished 3rd...

As for Skagit lines and Shooting heads - they are great for certain fishing situations. I love using Skagit lines for fishing heavy tips and big flies. I am not much of a shooting head guy - but I know lots of guys who love them. As we all know 99% of fishing success is not how far you cast, rather it is where you cast and how well you fish and read the water. If shorter heads feel good and work for you then by all means don't worry about what tournament (or any other casters for that matter) are doing.

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Thanks again tyler.Very interesting and very difficult to spey beginners like me to see all the long bellys outside the rod and using as shootings.I think was an amazing show tournament.

Skagit vs shootings:Last week in t del f as the water was very shallow i use that compact 600 grs with t8 t10 or t 11.
Depends on what depht of the pool i was fishing.

When i use that moornig the afs ,i like it but i was engached in every rock or stocks under the water so i changed inmediately and i returned to skagit with t10 and 12 or 15 lbs leader( i didnt want to loose my firsts spey big trouts)

Thanks again to teach me spey in a few words i apreciate.

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Simon H was using his Nextcast rod, and Doug was using a B&W Powerlite.

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thanks bruce.

Tyler:cant find 15 ultimate cnd rod.
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Rgus,

It is very new so it has not yet been added to web-pages yet. You can check here for more info http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/s...ad.php?t=29183

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Agus,

The 'Space' means a host or web server to store these video clips for people to view or download from. I will be redesigning and updating the Nextcast website shortly for the upcoming projects to kick in. I may have a chance to intergrate these video clips as a part of the new website. It won't be long.

Of cause there is no DVD for SOR 2008. If I did, someone is going to nail my butt.

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Simon h:first of all congratulation for the 1st pole.I dont know everybody (i began reading about spey since may 2007)but i saw to many exellent casters these year.

Give me your secret!!!!!!

I know as Kush said casting to the moon doesnt meen you are going to fish there are many other things but everybody likes to cast or to know how to cast further.
May be its "The Ego"( long cast ,big fishes,an opened bible)but i like it.

Waiting for your video.

Thank you
Agus

pd:kush i found the thread.Looks that the rod rocks.And of course for sure the spey orama casters that use it Rocks too.
Im begining to save money for the ultimate 15 rod from today.

See you later and thanks again
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Agus,

You are asking a very question. WHY and HOW?

WHY: let say you have a Ferrari which can go 200 miles/hr and you asking it to drive 80 miles/hr: a piece of cake. It will go on forever. And now you have a Hydrid which can go 80 miles/hr max, and now you asking to drive 80 miles/hr for a few day. It may break down in just a few hours of driving. Want to stay easy on your fishing (or your arms), invest some time on casting. You will have a life time enjoyment. PLUS, casting a graceful loop is like touching the nature curve of a beautiful woman. You won't have that feeling until you have one.

HOW: you need to live a place that does not have many of fishing seasons going on. So you can turn your fishing time into casting time to get to know and feel every single moment of rod bend(s) and line position(s) during a casting cycle. Once you find the feeling, then you know what you are doing. Then, there is nothing to stop you on casting. Very simple: invest your time, and it will get to you.



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Simon:i like your receipe.Im in those places where i have only a few months to fish and pretty far away(1700kmts).
So plenty of time to practise so no problem there.

And for the loop ,i would like to have that feeling !!!! (going from jam and cheese sandwich to strwaberries)

Thanks Simon

pd:any sugestion when you practise in grass(plent of grass,lot of space) and not in water.
problems with anchors ,or whatever.
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Try a grass leader. Make it out of 20 lb. leader material by tying blood knots every 6" or so. Leave the ends of the knots long - about 1/4-1/2", I think. The ends of the knots will stick to the grass, giving you an anchor. Try long ends first, then trim to see what length works best. Not as good as casting on water because you will be able to get away with too much line stick on a bad cast, but better than not practicing at all. I'm no expert on these, but have used them in casting contests on grass. I think there may be some other info if you search this board.
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thank you very much.Ill try.
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