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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-23-2016, 05:17 PM Thread Starter
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I'm hoping to organize a casting competition on Vancouver Island in both single hand and double hand overhead distance categories.
The 'official' lines for trout accuracy and distance are relatively available.
I'd like to find easily available lines for the seatrout and salmon distance competitions, as in off the shelf heads that meet the diameter and weight requirements. I'm sure the serious competitors have specialized heads and running lines, just as some competitors in SOR do. Any help would be appreciated.
If this is supported, it could be expanded to include the spey casting categories as well.

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Gaelforce makes a double hand overhead line that could be a standard for you

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I have made Seatrout 27g shooting heads from DT10F and DT9F lines and long belly WF8F lines. Salmon 55g shooting heads from 11/12/13 floating longbelly Spey lines and DT12F lines. Seatrout head lengths I have cast are 50 to 58ft and Salmon 55 to 65ft. It is the tail wind which mostly define max head length and for stronger tail wind head needs to be shorter to straighten properly. For shooting line I have used many nylon monos but Amnesia is good.

For Trout accuracy and distance SA Mastery Expert Distance WF5F Orange is still the only available choice

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With the changes in line manufacturer's offerings for double handed fishing, it is hard to find DT Salmon lines to cut up. I have been able to find a number of 'heads' and full 'spey' lines that have profile configurations that could provide heads that meet the requirements for competition casting.
In order to get competitors to participate I want to find lines that are available through normal retail channels from our popular brands.
So far I've found lines/heads in the Airflo and Rio catalogues that could be made to work. I'll also check Sci Ang and Cortland to see what they have available that could be modified for use.
A 'Seatrout' head can be no heavier than 27 grams/415 grains, and the 'Salmon' distance head can be no heavier than 55 grams/850 grains. There are min/max diameter requirements that might disqualify some extremely short heads especially since they must be floating lines.
There is a Gaelforce head which is specifically designed for the overhead salmon distance competition: 65' long at 55grams. Does anyone know of a Canadian dealer/retailer?
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M&Y is the Canadian dealer for Gaelforce.....you might check with Poppy at the Redshed (US dealer) as well as the exchange rates might make that a better option.....maybe.

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For Seatrout Barrio ST27 costs 27 including post. SA MED WT8F should make nice head but it is expensive.

UK shops sometimes sell very cheap Salmon DT lines which weights vary a lot but I have got some which weight 15gr/ft. Heads which don't have required splicing are Vision ACE 12/13, heaviest Rio Grand Spey. XLT Comp and heaviest which has rating but it came almost 70ft. Orvis Wonderline 11/12 Long Belly which at the moment casts the best. Most of them I have lightened cutting the front taper and I have cast all except the DT both ways trying to find advantages and weakness but when there usually is wind when casting outdoors it is difficult to find much significance.

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If you are looking for a good overhead comp head get the gaelforce line, works well with a fairly fast action 10/11 rod
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Thanks everyone for your help and advice.
Its beginning to feel that trying to have official Seatrout and Salmon distance casting as part of this event will be a bit too challenging just in finding/creating the official heads/lines necessary. I may purchase the Gaelforce head for demonstration purposes as I have a rod that will handle it.
Rather than delete those 2 categories entirely, I think I'll create a 'Beach Salmon' category that might possibly attract anglers who currently use 'switch' rods and longer SH rods to fish for pink and coho salmon. For equipment: a rod no longer than 11.5' and a floating/intermediate head no heavier than 420 grains. That should allow quite a few people to compete with their current equipment.

And, just for the h*ll of it, an 'OPEN' category which could be any rod, any length casting a head no greater than 850 grains. Can you smell the testosterone?

The intention of the event is to increase interest in flyfishing through the fun and challenge of flycasting.
I haven't forgotten seeing Steve Rajeff demonstrate casting/throwing a shooting head on an 18' rod - 'out of sight' - three decades ago!

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Rather than delete those 2 categories entirely, I think I'll create a 'Beach Salmon' category that might possibly attract anglers who currently use 'switch' rods and longer SH rods to fish for pink and coho salmon. For equipment: a rod no longer than 11.5' and a floating/intermediate head no heavier than 420 grains. That should allow quite a few people to compete with their current equipment.
That should intrest enough to get competitors but I would use the same floating max 27g Seatrout shooting head so your single hand competitors could compare themself to other international competitors and then possibly compete as well. I believe SH casters will win but how big the difference becomes is interesting!

In my experience a DH line needs to weight 1.5 times the SH line to cast as far. Perhaps in this case not 40,5g (625gr) because I believe caster strength aleady limits the SH performance when the head weights 27g (416gr).

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Thanks Esa!
I'd like to come closer to the IC definition for the 'Seatrout' competition but I'm concerned that very few people will have the equipment to meet the rules.
My hope is that by 'defining' the limitations as I have, there can be a friendly competition between the SH devotees and the DH advocates. Just because there's an upper limit for the head grains doesn't mean you have to go there. I've seen numerous SH casters that can really put out a long line because they and their equipment are matched to each other.
If there is a positive response to this event, it might warrant trying to use IC rules at a another event.

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Sounds like a fun event!
I like the idea of a friendly local competition including a "local fishing gear" class.

Gaelforce is a top shelf performance line brand for sure.

You may want to also talk to Donna O'Sullivan... she is the women's overhead/spey casting champ and reps LTS lines. She'll know about competition line options ....I'll send you a PM with her contact.

As a side note, we were just testing their new LTS Speed Line-- extremely fast scandi head. Its offered in 27g/416 grain, which is why this came to mind. Although a bit short for comp., may be a contender with an 11 footer(??) It sure impressed for spey techniques and I think they have single hand lines but not sure about weights. I could see these as great for the beach and long shooting casts.
It has a very low drag profile with slick coating, turning over and shooting exceptionally well. They flew FAR!

Donna will be of more help...
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Thanks Floggerman!

I thought/hoped there would be lines/heads designed and produced to satisfy the IC rules in the overhead distance categories for Seatrout and Salmon. With that seemingly NOT the case, it means having to get competitors to reveal what they've 'sliced and diced' for themselves.

My research for possible lines for the Seatrout competition revealed some potentials from SA, Airflo and Rio that would still need to be modified to meet the specs.

The other consideration was attracting enough flyfishers having SH rods that would handle a Seatrout head. DH rods seem to have virtually displaced 10' SH rods that are designed to cast that head weight (27 grams, 415 grains). I'm sure there are a few people with 10' SH rods for 8,9 or 10 wt. lines. I think I have one gathering dust in a corner somewhere; I know I have the memory of what my body felt like after a day of fishing it.

It would be nice to have a spey casting competition but the logistics are a bit daunting for this year. I will try and include some demonstration spey casting for its obvious appeal to current anglers, and for its ability to draw people into our sport - both fishing and casting.

Now - to get the word out!!

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Seatrout shooting head is very easy. Bulletproof answer is the Barrio ST27 for 27 post included. Cheap one is a DT10F where you get two heads and it can be as cheap as $1.5 each plus postage but should be no more than $10 each if you order few. Most expensive is a SA MED WF8F and it might become bit too long for beginners. You just need a scale, bobbin, thead and PU clue and new coins to check scale calibration.

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