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Spey-o-rama: Game Rules For Competition

Dear spey casting enthusiasts,

On behalf of Golden Gate Angling and Casting Club, I would like to post the competition rules for the upcoming Spey-O-Rama event.

We at GGACC encourage you all to particpate in these friendly competitions!


SPEY-O-RAMA
GOLDEN GATE ANGLING AND CASTING CLUB
April 23,24 and 25, 2004
GAME RULES FOR COMPETITION

Qualifying: Friday and Saturday. Finals: Sunday PM

1. Overhead Cast

A. All contestants will use the same rod, reel and line.
B. Contestants will be allowed one (1) practice cast and three (3) measured casts.
C. Single longest cast will be scored.


2. 45 degree change of direction casts-Both left shoulder and right shoulder casts.

A. Equipment:
a. Rod - Maximum length is 15 feet, 1 inch.
b. Line - Ten/Eleven (10/11) weight maximum, floating lines, either full lines or shooting
heads. Must be commercially available from a recognized manufacture.
c. Leader - Minimum nine (9) feet - Maximum fifteen (15) feet.
d. Fly - Visible yarn.

B. Optional:
a. Single Spey, Double Spey, Snake Roll, Circle Spey or Snap T.

C. Optional:
a. one practice cast in each direction - (right to left and left to right)

D. Scoring
a. Three (3) measured cast in each direction.
b. Fly must anchor in front of caster
c. Score will be total of longest right and left casts

The Overhead Cast competition, and "45 degree change of direction casts-Both left shoulder and right shoulder casts." competition are separate competitions.

You may enter either or both competitions, by contacting us at: [email protected] to sign up for the competitions.

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Sounds like fun.

Does left side require lefthand up (I hope )?
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Question,

Why the 15'1" maximum length? I can see the 15' length, but as far as I can tell the extra one inch makes an allowance for one manufacturer's rod. If an allowance is being made in the rules for one company's rods why not others as well? !5' 6" is not that much longer?

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Juro,

If you are worried that reverse left shoulder casts are so much more efficient - learn to do it

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Kush, that extra "1 inch" is going to blow up all the "brownies". You know what I mean.

"1. Overhead Cast

A. All contestants will use the same rod, reel and line. "

If some contestant was fortunite enough to have a combination similar to what is being used in the competition I would see that as huge advantage.

I wish I was headed down.

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Kush, it could be that the extra 1" is there to allow for the slight inconsistencies in rod manufacture. It wouldn't be unknown for a so-called 15' rod to be a shade over its given length, yet it would seem a bit nitpicky to disqualify someone for this technical error. It could come down to how tight the ferrules fit! I have a feeling one of the Musto finalists use a 17'11" Bruce and Walker, which had been modified to allow for just this sort of margin of error. I'm not sure that a 15'1" rod could be said to give a significant advantage over a 15'er anyway.

I see that the lines must all be standard production models. By my reckoning that would have eliminated Way Yin, Scott Mackenzie, Ian Gordon and Brendan Begley, who all used prototype lines in lastyear's Musto comp. Are you allowed to splice extra running line to the back? And what is their definition of a 10/11wt line, since we all know that a speycasting 10/11 line may well not conform to AFTM standards? Is it enough simply to claim that it is a 10/11 because that's what it says on the box?
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My first thought that it was perhaps twisted to suit the Sage owners of the world, but you are as usual probably right. Scott Mckenzies rod is the standard B&W Norway shortened by an inch to ensure it slips in under 18ft rule.

I am not sure you are entirely right about the lines though, I think that Scot's line that Way lent him was a standard 2003 spec head. Certainly the line Scot took down from Inverness was a standard line no fancy running line.None of the fancy protertype lines will be any good on the 15 rods as most were designed for the longer rods but I suppose a custom made 15 ft rod might just be able to throw a big heavy line. There could be some interesting measurements to ensure all lines are standard.

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Reverse left shoulder casts are a piece of cake! How about left-up reverse snakes?

Unfortunately you'd add up both my casts and it would only equal one of yours! :hehe:


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If you are worried that reverse left shoulder casts are so much more efficient - learn to do it
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I think that Scot's line that Way lent him was a standard 2003 spec head.
This is what Way wrote in a thread on another board:

"Scott McKenzie's stock setup was a 10/11 XLT (gen. 1), the line he used to win was also a stock 10/11 XLT (gen. 2), but I had removed the stock running line, and spliced 60 feet of that awesome SA shooting line on the back of the head."

So yes, it was a standard head, but was it a commercially available line, as required by this set of rules?

I do agree that the rules might appear to be fixed to favour Sage owners, and I think that was the point Kush was making, too. I suppose there will be a number of people whose so-called 15' setup is in fact based around the Sage 10151-4, and it will make for a better competition if they're not excluded. But if people do get fussy about the rules, the Sage owners had better be sure their rods aren't 1/4" too long when assembled!
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~~~ SAGE CONSPIRACY ?~~~

Lots of interesting replies here! "Sorry guys no Sage" conspiracy here; the allowance is for discrepancy in manufacturing. The one inch allowance is right out of the American Casting Associations Rules.
It really isn't that difficult to place the reel seat and thus the bottom grip slightly below the rod blank, add to that the ferrule fit on a cold day and you could easily add an inch.


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Gardener,

The way I read the rules the XLT with the running line removed and its head spliced to SA running line would not be a commercially available line and thus be illegal to use.

The CND Salar Specialist is 15'6" and is the 10 wt rod Kush uses, which I'm sure is why he asked why rods were limited to 15'1".

I wonder if the 15'1" maximum length is because of the misperception that very few people fish with rods over 15' in length. Myself and several others I know fish with 16' to 16'7" rods regularly. Or was it just decided that there are more people fishing 15' and under rods than those over 15' in the same way that there are more folks fishing 9' 5 wts than those fishing 10' 5 wts making it "closer to real world fishing"?
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Spey-O-Rama Competition Rule clarification

To answer the questions raised by several of your replies, here are some clarifications provided by our Spey-O-Rama committee:

1. Rod: no longer than 15'1" and for maximum 10/11 wt. designation (no 10/11/12). Factory model. No prototypes, custom models, alterations etc.

2. Line: floating of any taper, designated for maximum 10/11 wt. (on the box, no 10/11/12) factory model. There is no AFTMA standard for spey lines. No cutting, splicing unless it is factory made shooting head and in that case attached to running line of caster's choice.

3. No left hand on the top required but cast has to be made from both shoulders.

4. Rod and line for overhead competition will be provided by Jim Green and will not be available to anyone previously to the competition. You could ask him about specs, but obtaining this information before the game would take all fun out of it.

5. We will certify tackle before the competition by measuring the length and designation of the rod and overall weight of the line to ensure that it is consistent with each manufacturer standard.

6. According to Jim Green's recommendation casters will be in the water (depth...?) 30' from the shore (back cast limitation). The Spey-O-Rama committee has not made a final decision on this yet. The alternative would be casting from existing concrete platforms.

7. There is no moving water at the casting ponds.

Hope that helps!

For GGACC Spey-O-Rama Committee,

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