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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-16-2001, 05:50 AM Thread Starter
 
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Understand these are a 'hot' fly (or should that be bait) in the mid-west rivers. Has anyone used these spey fishing? Have a couple that someone sent to me and got to admit they're very interesting and really look like a small roe cluster or single egg. But hard as a rock given their construction.
 
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post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-16-2001, 06:52 AM Thread Starter
 
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I`ve not tried glue eggs but I have been making a hot glue ghost shrimp
for several years.The proceedure is to apply succesive layers of hot glue
via a gun to the hook shank;gradually buiding a semi transparent shrimp
body.During the application of the last layers crystal flash is built into
the glue to give body colour and to create feelers and a tail. They can be
fished reahily from a fly rod and stand up to much abuse on rocks etc.

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post #3 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-16-2001, 05:58 PM Thread Starter
 
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Now that sounds striking (no bad pun intended). Can you attach a photo of one to the message board? Would love to see it.
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post #4 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-16-2001, 06:22 PM Thread Starter
 
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I've seen a lot of steelhead caught on glass beads tied as eggs so I don't think that hardness is too much of a factor.   I have not used glue eggs much becasue the eggs are usually smaller than I prefer, and they don't have the luster or sheen of glo yarn and glass beads.
There are some instructions for making hot glue eggs, and egg clusters on this address
www.flytyersdungeon.com.  they used to have a half dozen different colors of hot glue, and would know where to get it
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Hi John! I've tied some flys (guy gave me a couple for patterns) using the glass beads and a touch of fluff in front. No joy with them, but very little water time specificly  test them out. Some are 'banded' in a group, couple are stung out in a line like a broken sken (sp?). Cool looking; think I should tie more for the week trip to the Chetco/Elk/Sixes next week. Mr. Salmon?  Sniff, sniff? Light, so they really float in the water column on a long dry line/leader.
 
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post #6 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-17-2001, 07:19 AM Thread Starter
 
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A few years aago I learned of an "Alaskan" method of tying beads as eggs onto a line.  It works with spiinning rods and 9' rods so should work with two-handers.  They slip the bead onto the line or leader before tying on the hook.  It apparently doesn't make much difference to the fish, and the bead doesn't fill the gap so that it hooks better.
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how about throwing a blade in front of the bead wow, that might really get their attention.  Ok got it out of my system, sorry guys can not keep it in any long I really don't think of those things as flys.
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post #8 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-18-2001, 02:25 AM Thread Starter
 
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We could probably fill these pages with things that we fish with that the purist would say is not a "fly".
 
What about streamers (which are mostly fish patterns), snail patterns, leeches and egg sucking leeches, and most of the saltwater patterns?  What about mouse patterns? In additon, I beleive that most of the steelhead and salmon patterns are designed to evoke a strike, not to imitate an insect.  If so, why call them "flies"?  Also, many or  the heavily weighted nymphs that people use to dregde the bottom are a lot closer to spinning rod lures than flies in my opinion.
 
Those stupid fish are awful hard to catch, and I don't mind using whatever it takes to catch them as long as it is artificial, does not use an odor, and presents a challenge.  That said, I am still reluctant to use a San Juan worm.
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Back to the point: Double rig of big, black and buggy for first fly, a 'bead or glue fly' as a trailer. About equal hookups with both. 4 steelhead and a Coho. Steelhead prefered the BBB but one steelhead and the Coho just pounded the trailer hot glue or bead fly. No class on either of these hook ups, fish just slammed the  H-E-double toothpicks, on the glue/beads.
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I've had success with a hot glue single egg formed around a colored bead head.  Greatest success when fished in fast water, shallow riffles.
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At the risk of asking a 'dumb question' (Oh hush up you guys .... It's never stopped me before, why now? ) Any  particular 'colour' works best? Copper, tung., chart, red, etc?
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depends mostly on water temperature.  The colder the water the quicker the
natural eggs turn cloudy and white.  When the water temp gets up to 46 F or
higher I find the eggs stay clear longer and a natural egg shade of bead head in
the center of your hot glue works well.  Another point is that you can
effect the opacity of the hot glue in its cooling.  If you allow the glue
to cool down slowly you end up  with greater opacity for the colder water
conditions.  If you cool the glue quickly in some ice water, you'll have a
clear egg that will allow the natural color of the bead to show through. 
The bead head also effects the egg's ability to get down.  Experiment on
your own for color preference,  see what you can find in the way of bead
heads.  Remember that its easier to get that bead over a barbless
hook. 
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Jere, great info. Not seen anything of this nature anywhere before. Glue,or 'real' eggs/patterns the information is on the mark. This get's printed and filed for future reference.
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post #14 of 16 (permalink) Old 02-06-2002, 05:38 PM Thread Starter
 
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Fred,
I've been using hot glue eggs successfully in N.Y., Erie, Pa., and Ak. for
years.  The gold bead head works well when you cool the glue quickly. Since
beads have shown up in other colors, orange, red, green, etc. I've expanded my
assortment.  Fish them in fast water, they get down pretty quick. 
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Jere, assuming you have a preference, do you make your glue flys 'au natural,' or do you use a bit of yarn above/below the 'egg?'
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