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|Originator: Fred Evans||Date: 11/10/2001 9:22 PM|
From this Thursday's local paper. When you're hot, your hot.
|Originator: Whistler||Date: 11/20/2001 4:44 PM|
Can hardly believe you guys are still using that ridiculous three fly swivel rig. I've been away for over 2 months so naturally I'd assumed ya'll had progressed a little. How big of an indicator do you have to use or do you actually swing that s#!t like a real man?
Andy, you seem like a decent guy but what's with beating up hatchery rats at the fish fence and actually keeping score? I mean how many fish do you need to sore mouth to have a good day ? You'd think a guy would get bored after 3 or 4 and would try something different like swinging a single fly like the Good Lord intended. (Remember kids, indicator fishing for Steelhead is silly and people will laugh at you if they see you.)
|Originator: Fred Evans||Date: 11/20/2001 10:39 PM|
Actually (for the record?) Andy never, ever, ever, uses an indicator. Even when he's guiding I've not seen one rod rigged with one. Speaking for him (out of place probably) he thinks it diverts your attention from what's really going on at the end of your line.
As for me, I'm a Spey Rod guy and more than two flys is almost impossible to control. Two flys, 99% of the time but the first (to beat this to death) is primarily to get you down and keep you down near/at the bottom.
Have real compasion for folks who have to fish Washington Rivers, et. al. "post-Bolt" as fishing pressure is up, and fish stocks are way down. Here on the upper Rogue we still have substantial runs of fish and minimal pressure. Fished at same location Sat and Sunday morning. The bar is about 20 minutes drive from downtown Medford, OR and about 400 yards of prime holding water. And I had it to my self, not even a tire track. (Yes, I did well). Sunday afternoon Joan and I went for a drive up the top 20 some miles of river just to see what was going on. In the entire run (road follows the river) we saw a grand total of 3 cars; you do the math on fishing pressure.
No pressure, good water, lots of fish and a modicum of skill and it's not hard to hook a fairly good number of fish. With a couple of notable location exceptions, "combat fishing" is almost unheard of in our area. The Zoo/Hatchery hole would be one of them in the spring, assuming the game dept opens what is normally closed water to harvest "excess fish." This, and spring of 2000, "excess" ment they had over 33,000 spring salmon by actual count, return to the hatchery.
|Originator: Fred Evans||Date: 11/21/2001 3:28 AM|
The e mail at work asked a very good question. Bottom line it said "3 cars in 20 miles of river?" Think I need to put southern Oregon in a bit of perspective. State has a bit over 3 million total population. 75% of these live within the top 1/3rd of the state (Portland down I-5 to Salem). The bottom 1/3 of the State has (give or take) a couple of hundred thousand residents. As you go farther south there are only two or three real population areas (Medford, Grants Pass and Roseburg). Of these two only two are anywhere near the Rogue, even considering the coast (no offence to Gold Beach).
"Fishing pressure?" Well a couple of strange points of reference. King County (Seattle) has a larger Asian population than all of Jackson (Medford) County. Seattle's baseball and football stadums will hold Jackson, Jefferson (Grants Pass) and Klamath Counties entire population(s)- yes you can look it up.. The top 60 miles of river has a potential 'pressure' (everyone fished) of less than the folks who are driving around within Seattle's City limits at 3pm in the afternoon. Point of all this nonsense is low population, not a lot of folks who really spend time on the river, and hell of a lot of fish move through our area.
If you're even 'half-good' with a fly rod, can read water, and present a fly, it's pretty hard to miss/blank in a days fishing. Do you blank, you bet. But you're pretty surprised most of the year. Some slow months, but not many; just a question of what your 'targeting.' Think "south" for your next trip.
|Originator: Bill K||Date: 11/21/2001 6:28 AM|
Cheaply tagging onto Brian's theme--All those fish, no pressure, and you have to fish on the bottom with 2 nymphs instead of swinging a single fly? <VBG>
|Originator: loco_alto||Date: 11/21/2001 6:52 AM|
c'mon Fred - a spey guy? How about that 10' #7 single hander you got? grinnage in effect. (*note - see same config on rod in my rod holder pix.)
|Originator: Fred Evans||Date: 11/21/2001 1:31 PM|
Good question Bill. The 'legal' limit (if memory serves) is a three fly rig on the Rogue River. The flys can be any size, any colour, weighted, etc. Other rivers, such as the North Umpqua, have such horiffic pressure that you legally (a good portion of the year) can't even use a beadhead.
Do most fly-guys use a three fly rig down here? Actually very rare, a two fly rig, probably 90% use it the bulk of the time. As a large section of the top end of the river is controlled by the Lost Creek dam ( still dumping water at 804 cfs) we use dry lines and long leaders close to 9 months of the year. This has a lot to do with the two fly rig vs. the use of one heavy fly and sink tips.
|Originator: Bill K||Date: 11/21/2001 7:17 PM|
Well, whatever the style, I may have to take your suggestion to "think south" for a trip next year. Of course, I have to go pass the Umpqua to get there, and my truck just naturally seems to head up North Bank Road. I don't know if my arms are strong enough to keep it on I-5 long enough to get to the Rogue. We'll see!
I'm pondering a winter trip to the Umpqua, but I think I'll be coaching my daughter's basketball team through the winter season there.
|Originator: Fred Evans||Date: 11/27/2001 3:04 AM|
Several folks have found out that the "entry fee" to a warm home, good food, hot shower, etc., is a bit of notice and a good bottle of single malt at the door. Best of all ... you'll have the majority of the river to yourself.
Life is good.
|Originator: Fred Evans||Date: 12/2/2001 4:35 AM|
We must all send 'fish-head' a BAD BOY e mail!! Actually saw him on the upper river fishing for Coho with a, a, a ...... God it's hard to say ... sticks in my wind pipe ... DRIFT ROD and spoons.
Ok Andy, you've been taken prisoner by some fishing faction which will remain nameless (Taliban?) and were forced to touch .... hurts to say this ... a drift rod. I/we will pay the ransom as long as it's not over a buck 50.
Yes, I was using a spey rod, and I didn't hook anything either.
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