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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-16-2002, 09:36 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Fred EvansDate: 1/16/2002 5:36 AM
First an apoligy, you're last name is 'blank' in my mine; NOT COOL FRED!
 
Second question; the 18' B and W/Diawa guide spacing is 28"  to the first guide, 46 to the second from the middle of the reel seat. Given my general knowledge of guide spacing the 28" seems very short if the idea is to 'shoot' line from the tip section of a line. Thinking I need to have this changed to increase the 'shootability' of this rod.
 
Any thoughts on changes?
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-16-2002, 10:54 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Scott KDate: 1/16/2002 6:54 AM
I believe Steve's last name is Choate.
 
Aren't the Daiwa rods designed with UK Long Bellied Casting styles in mind (IE minimal shooting) or is this rod something different (or are you hoping to use it for something different)? Fred you might have to get into a stripping basket by the sounds of it. Also, you really gotta watch the way that line coils up as I would imagine you'll have so much stripped line in it that it could catch itself and hinder your cast, or it might catch on your finger and try and pull it through the guides....you'll have some serious backbone to shoot is what I'm saying...and well, I know you're going to use it by the sounds of it! LOL.
 
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Originator: LohiDate: 1/16/2002 8:40 AM
I own two Bruce & Walker 15´ Norway Speycasters, 9/10 and 10/11 models, neither of which is in my mind a "euro" style rod. The 10/11 is somewhat stiff, but has still a trough action, bending from the handle. The 9/10 is more traditional, softer trough actioned rod. Anyway, both the rods have the first guide quite close to the handle, as I suppose is the case also with the 18´ 10 B&W Fred has just bought.

I have used the stiffer rod with shooting heads, in extreme condition shooting about 20m of running line outside the rod tip with 550 and 700 grain shooting heads (underhand cast). I have not personally felt that the location of the first guide would anyhow affect the shooting capabilities of the rod, and would not in any case make any modifications to the rods on that basis. You still have at least 12 guides that will produce a lot of friction to the shooting, which is actually positive, if you use a slick running line.

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post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-16-2002, 05:13 PM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Peter-s-cDate: 1/16/2002 1:13 PM
Congrats on landing the beast.  Simon Gawesworth in his review of the 15' Daiwa mentions the low position of the stripping guide and said that it caused him no problems when shooting line.  My 13' 6"  and 15' 6" Daiwas have the same arrangement and I actually like it - easier line handling.  The 13' 6" shoots line like a rocket so I can't say that it has any effect - haven't had the 15' 6" out yet..  I definitely have no plans to alter the stripping guide position on my two rods.
 
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post #5 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-16-2002, 06:24 PM Thread Starter
 
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Dear Lohi,

I'm not familiar with the term trough, as in "trough action rod". Since you used it twice and spelled it the same both times I'm assuming it's not a typo. Would you tell us what this refers to or what it means?
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post #6 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-17-2002, 12:30 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Fred EvansDate: 1/16/2002 8:30 PM
Scotty, you may be 'dead on' with your thought that these rods were not ment as 'line shooters.' This would explain the short distance from reel seat to first gathering guide (which isn't very large considering this is a 10wt rod). And you're right on Steve's last name. Drew a total blank last night when I was typing the message.
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post #7 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-17-2002, 01:09 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Willie GunnDate: 1/16/2002 9:09 PM
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I think the word is "through" as in all the way down.
 
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post #9 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-17-2002, 09:43 AM Thread Starter
 
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You may excuse me (an analphabetic Finn) to type some words wrong some times, and some words wrong all the time ;^). Yes, I meant through action (not trough, which still seems to have a fairly sensible meaning in this context anyway, according to my dictionary).

Actually my point was to politely suggest to Mr Evans to drop the idea of moving the guides in his new rod.

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Originator: J.R. SPEYDate: 1/17/2002 1:53 PM
Lohi,

Believe me, you don't have to ask to be excused. Your English is WAY better than my Finnish (or Spanish, French, etc.). It's just that I had never heard of "through action" either, but Willie's post made it clear that it's a good term for an action that works right down into the grip. I have several of Mike Maxwell's rods that do that. I learn new terms on here all the time and wanted to be sure "trough" wasn't something new I'd missed.

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post #11 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-18-2002, 02:05 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Willie GunnDate: 1/17/2002 10:05 PM
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The only Finnish I know is "Kippis".
It means cheers I think.  English or American is a confusing language even to the residents.
 
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post #12 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-18-2002, 03:57 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Fred EvansDate: 1/17/2002 11:57 PM
Willie, your last line covered it all!
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post #13 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-19-2002, 01:24 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: lastcaststeveDate: 1/18/2002 9:24 PM
Dear Fred,
First off i apologize that i have not responded sooner...i did not see your questions until today...the new board format is confusing for us guys that can still remember the Columbus Day storm!LOL! At any rate regarding the first stripping guide being close to the foregrip...my suggestion would be not to remove or change it at least until youhave fished the rod for awhile...I personally like the guide being close, because it is easier to reach out and pick up the line for preparation of the next cast...my guess is that if you are having difficulty with the line tangling on this first guide, that your casting is such that you may want to move up to a line with a longer belly, so you don't have to shoot so much line...The line i have concocted for my 171/2' Daiwa has a belly length of about 120', with a very slowly tapering back taper to running line..I rarely have dificulty with it tangling...you might try taking 20-40' of the front taper of a triangle taper spey...flip it end for end and splice it to the belly of your current line...this allows you good mending properties and the larger slower taper will not tangle in the guides...just another option, before you reduce the resale value of your rod!! Again, sorry it took so long to respond Fred..
 
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post #14 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-19-2002, 08:14 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Fred EvansDate: 1/19/2002 4:14 AM
Holy Cow Steve! 120' feet .... now wonder we call you LCS. I've loaded the rod with a Cortland 10-11 DT spey line for this weekend as I think you're right (even before I saw your message). Will report back.
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