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|Originator: Gary||Date: 6/26/2000 12:19 AM|
I am thinking of getting a Scott ARC 1196/4 for use on larger sized trout streams. I am interested in traditional spey casting methods rather than overhead methods. Does anyone have any experience with this rod that they would care to relate?
|Originator: speybum||Date: 6/28/2000 5:24 PM|
This is Scottâ€™s entry into the lite spey game.
The light weigh and length makes this a excellent rod for working small rivers and stream.
The action of the rod is progressive and with a butt diameter of .490 gives you plenty of staying power the larger fish.
The cast of this rod has some getting used .
Line the rod with a standard double taper( 6/7/8) until you get the cast length down ( cast length is the amount of line you can cast with out shooting)
Once you establish the cast length make up a long belly weight forward.
Most commercial spey line are to heavy for this rod.
This is My Summer rod for the Stile
Doubles as a good nymph and tube rod with a spare butt.
|Originator: Gary||Date: 6/29/2000 7:00 PM|
In reply to Speybum. I think I follow you up to the point where you say to make-up a long belly weight forward line. How would I go about doing that?
|Originator: speybum||Date: 7/3/2000 7:20 PM|
I start with two Mastery Steelhead tapers, cutting one line ( this will be the line that you will put on the reel) at the start of the forward taper and the second at the start of the front taper. (for that 1196 ARC with a six or seven weight depending on your casting style)
Use a loop connector to start with and keep cutting the second line back until it cast correctly for you.
Once you get the sweetspot, where you reach the maximum cast (cast length is the amount of line you can turn over in the air before the belly touches the water) you are in business.
Then cut out the loops and hard splice the lines together. This will do away with a center hinge.
I use double tapers for a lot of my lite rods. You very rarely have to modify the front taper as radically as you do a weight forward.
The trick to casting any lite rod is timing. You may not feel the rod load at first but with a little practice you will feel the rod and adjust your timing.
I am just finishing one of these little beauties for my self.
|Originator: Gary||Date: 7/3/2000 10:35 PM|
Thanks for the info Aaron. I ordered the rod last week and should have it shortly. I am hoping this rod will allow me to get back into regular trout fishing again. I gave up regular trout fishing quite a few years ago in order to pursue steelhead, and this amazing fish will always be foremost in my heart, but regular trout fishing has a subtle allure of its own which I would like to recapture.
Because of an injury to my right wrist I had to give up using single handed rods about 5 years ago. Of course it didn't help that I was using a 9ft 8in bamboo steelhead rod at the time. I loved that rod (an early period Walton Powell with a very sweet action) but double-hauling that 8 wt line all day became real torture. Anyway, it was fortunate that Sage came out with their 7136 two-handed rod about then. It was a godsend for me. I was able to continue my steelhead fly fishing obsession without interruption.
The challenge of learning the intricacies and complexities of traditional spey casting was just the challenge I needed at that point in my life. If truth be told I am just barely competent under the best of conditions. But it doesn't matter. Spey casting is an art with unlimited potential of expression. I will enjoy expressing myself within this artform until the end of my days.
Until next time...
Peace Be With You
|Originator: speybum||Date: 7/7/2000 7:15 AM|
Spent the day with my 1196/4 on the Snoqualmie in Western Washington.
Neet rod plenty of power and good line speed.
I used a Rio 7 wt Atlantic Salmon and Stealhead line and 10 foot leader.
The line may need a wee bit of tweaking but for most people would serve just fine.
Will try a 6 double taper the next time I get a chance.
Also hope to get some fish.
|Originator: bubba||Date: 7/16/2000 4:32 AM|
Gary: your7/3 post was very beautiful. i think we sometimes get so lost in splitting hairs and seeing our opinions in print... it was good to see someone hit the nail on the head. i think speycasting is a lot like golf (but unlike golf, the mere mortal can get good at it). lots of personal expression, and very beautiful when done well.
i have recently spent quite a few hours with an 1196 putting a custom line together for a friend (rich culver of flywater adventures in SE alaska, who is trying for the ifga record for sea run cutts and sea run dollies on 7x with this rod) who needs to cast with pinpoint accuracy to sighted fish up to 90 feet away. he needed a line which would cast 82 feet consistently with this rod (leaving a bit of room for leader). i ended up making a line with a total of 7 different pieces in it before i thought it fit the bill (we'll see what he thinks)
are you other guys' lines casting this far on this rod, or did i just spend a &*^%^*load of time and money putting together something which could have been put together in two pieces? (genuine measured casting lengths 10 out of 10 casts please, no exaggerations, don't count leader)
anyway, i found this rod interesting... not quite a real spey rod (whatever that means), and not quite a real single hand action (whatever that means). timing is important, a relatively quick loading phase, i thought. very nice though. maybe a bit small for a hot native descutes fish, though, and a bit challenged by wind. would be a great crossover indicator nymphing rod with it's relatively quick action.
hope you like it
|Originator: speybum||Date: 7/18/2000 9:37 AM|
I would be interested in that Line fourmula if you would like to share it.
Where will Culver be trying for the Sea Runs .
I spent 13 years living in Southeast and realy loved it.
|Originator: bubba||Date: 7/29/2000 9:06 AM|
culver is trying now. don't know exactly where.. will fill in when details avaiable. will post the line formula when i can remember to bring my notebook! i am currenlty working on lengthening the line about 12-14 feet for 12-14 foot 7 weights, but it's a very busy time workwise.
|Originator: speybum||Date: 7/29/2000 4:19 PM|
I know there are others that would like long belleys that work.
Know how the work thing is .
|Originator: bubba||Date: 8/29/2000 5:06 AM|
here's the line formula i made for culver for the 1196 that seemed to work real well:
start with trout triangle taper 5/6. cut off 13" off the useless leader end. measure up from the cut "distal" end 18 feet and cut. splice to 13'8" of DT 7 weight (SA ultra 3 salmon belly), splice this to 13'1" of SA U3 8 weight DT belly, then to 11'8" of belly from trout triangle taper 8/9 (measure with micrometer to get section that is 0.064" to 0.066"), then splice to 20 feet of SA U3 9 weight belly. Splice this to your running line. this gives you 76'5" of belly; you can CARRY all of the line plus the 10 feet or so of running line in your guides on a good day, average, youshould be able to cast the 76' plus whatever the leader length is.
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