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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-26-2000, 08:20 PM Thread Starter
 
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I am currently fishing a Sage 9140-4 and enjoying it. I have felt though that it is a little light for some of the heavier tips I fish. At first my casts were terrible with these tips but I have since adjusted my casting point and changed my setup and have overcome the problems. Even so, I feel the rod is a little light and I would like the extra foot to help in the setup. I am planning on finding a Sage 10151-4 to cast to see how I like it. My question to the community is what are the pros and cons of this rod? Would I be better served with the more traditional action of the 10150-4 or even in looking at other makes such as the newer Scott ARCs? Casts utilized are primarily single and double spey. Thanks for the input.

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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-27-2000, 04:20 AM Thread Starter
 
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In my opinion, the 10151-4 is a lot of rod and quite a bit heavier and more powerful than the 9140.  It took me some time to get used to the heavier weight and extra length.  Its good for throwing heavier tips and larger flies for really big fish like king salmon.  I'm only 5'7" and for me, the 10151 is like swinging a telephone pole.  It wears me out.

You might want to try the Scott 4 piece 14' 9wt.  It's a little heavier than the 9140 (but not as heavy as the 10151) and IMHO, more powerful than the 9140 for casting sink tips and/or weighted flies. 

Everybody is different, so the best thing to do is to try out various rods and find one that best suits you.

 

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post #3 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-27-2000, 03:15 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hello,
I fish a lot with that 15'1" Sage. As compared to my T&T 16' and Sage 15'#10 "European" it is a a rather soft rod. It flexes well into the butt meaning that smaller salmon (grilse) can be landed with that safe sense a softer butt gives.

It works well with a line like the Rio Windcutter (10-11)

As I am sneaking a few minutes off from job I can't write more than this. It is a very good rod though!!

Take care,
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post #4 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-28-2000, 09:50 PM Thread Starter
 
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I have the 10151-4 and find the tip is to light in relation to the butt section and do not find it to be very good for heavy tip work .  I would go with the traditional sage 15ft-4pce or the sage 16ft-3pce.  These rod have the power you are looking for.E-mail me if you want more info on the 10151-4 as I am looking to sell or trade it.  Best Bruce   [email protected]
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post #5 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-29-2000, 12:24 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hello Bruce,

Hello Bruce,

I can agree with you on the 15'1" not being the first choice for sunk lines. But for floating and intermediate lines (used during the bulk of the season for Atlantic salmon) it is a wonderful rod. With 45' head cut out a DT Hardy sinktip (slow-sinking 10' tip),  I can reach well over 40 yds  with the modified single Spey we Scandinavians fancy. That Hardy line casts better than any I own. I use 35# Flatbeam as running line.

It takes some time to get tuned in on that SAGE, as too much power just makes the casts collapse. I rank it as my best rod along with T&T's 14-9 and 16-11.

What are looking for if we should trade? I have a 17' #12-13 Dawia (made in Scotland) which is a killer. I bought two while they still were made. Probably the longest casting rod around. I can give one up.

Tight lines,

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post #6 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-29-2000, 01:35 AM Thread Starter
 
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Has anyone had any problems with breakage and the 10151-4? I've snapped a couple and know of a few others that have blown up just below the first ferrule.

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post #7 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-29-2000, 01:49 AM Thread Starter
 
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Dana, I snapped mine last week making a snap-t with a tip. Not an overly long cast either 70-80ft, Clean break.

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post #8 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-29-2000, 06:49 AM Thread Starter
 
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i fish the 15 ft 10 wt 4pce and it handles  most tips  well and has an action  similiar  to the 9140-4 but it is a heavier rod over all i  fish a  windcutter 10-11 and  fish  15  foot tips  up  to 500 grains.

 i have  cast the 10151-4  and it is an absolute  rocketit is  the farthest casting  and heaviest  of the  sage  rods  under 16 foot  if  your looking  for  absolute power  this is  the rod  for  you.  however  if  you just  want  more power and the  ability  to  easily throw  tips  the  15010-4  is  also a great  rod.

 

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post #9 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-29-2000, 08:37 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hello Dana,

It never has happened to me. We have the 15110-4 up in Russia for our clients to borrow. Out of 12 rods fished hard for two seasons I think three has broken - two due to abuse and/or helicopter doors and one while in casting.

Can it be so that the blank is less suited for for full length lines? The total weight of say 25 yds of #10 line pushed hard in the forward stroke of a Spey cast loads the rod so much more than the weight in a relativly shorter shooting head. I find that blank a bit delicate - thats why it does soo poorly with sinking lines. Just guessing here - but there must be a reason why my rods not have broken. (I have fished at least three different 15110-4's a good deal)

While going to the depths of this rod - most of my friends over here dont't like it due to its eccentric action.

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post #10 of 17 (permalink) Old 02-03-2000, 07:15 PM Thread Starter
 
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After talking with Harry Lemire and others about the Sage design process it sounds like Jimmy Green and others are using Windcutter-type shooting head-style lines to design many of these rods, so the issue of the rods being overloaded by the use of longer lines is important. However, I have heard stories of new Spey casters blowing up these rods throwing a mere 60' of SA Mastery Spey line, so there must also have been a design flaw in the original blanks (I understand that Sage has since corrected the problem by "beefing up" the butt section.

What would be interesting would be to get someone from Sage to respond to our wonderings. Let me see if I can arrange that.

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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 02-04-2000, 12:21 AM Thread Starter
 
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It would be nice to hear more about SAGE's design approaches. For all I know Goran Andersson, the Swedish "casting wizard" has been closely involved in the design of their European actions. Goran is part of the Loop Tackle Design company here in Stockholm. Aside from making the LOOP reels they also are SAGE's Scandinavian agent. I would say that SAGE has well over 50% of the market for double handed rods over here.

Personally I am sliding more and more over to Thomas&Thomas. They have combined brutal strength with a special sensitive feel in several of their rods. The 16' is the best large river rod I have owned.

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post #12 of 17 (permalink) Old 02-09-2000, 01:46 AM Thread Starter
 
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line info added by Andre

Sage 15110

Wulff TT 10/11
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post #13 of 17 (permalink) Old 02-11-2000, 04:58 AM Thread Starter
 
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The 10151 is a sweet rod, as powerful rods go it is still quite light yet it handles long casts and big fish well. I fished mine for three years before I broke it. In fairness mine didn't blow up where most of them have (I hit mine with a 2/0). The unfortunate thing is that virtually everyone I know who has one has broken it and I just don't trust it enough to go out on a river with it as my only weapon.
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post #14 of 17 (permalink) Old 02-25-2000, 02:06 AM Thread Starter
 
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Just thought I would comment on what Dana wrote about fixing the "design" issue and beefing up the butt. I spoke with Sage today regarding the return of my rod. I was informed that they are replacing the third and butt section(I had a clean break in the butt section). I couldn't get them to respond to any changes in the casting characteristics due to structural changes they may have made? No comment.

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post #15 of 17 (permalink) Old 02-25-2000, 02:22 AM Thread Starter
 
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update: a few weeks back I emailed Sage and got a reply that Jerry Siem was looking into my request that someone from Sage reply to our concerns here and would respond soon. If I don't see anything here or get something via email in another week or so I'll inquire again.

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