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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 01-12-2002, 10:16 AM Thread Starter
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Does anyone have any opinions on what they consider the best multi-tip lines on the market for a 8wt single handed rod?I have seen several different ones and they all seem to have very different loop systems.I had a Cortland Change-A-Tip system last year that I had problems with.It had very small stiff loops that were supposed to prevent hinging.I really liked the way the line cast and the only problem was that the loops could get caught in the guides at times.When I sent the line back to Cortland for replacement they sent me a new line with radically different loops(2" long,soft and made of Spectra).When the lines are hooked together there is almost a 4" gap between the flylines.Will this affect how the line turns over?Has anyone tried these new lines?Also I just bought a new Airflow Multi-tip system and was really impressed with their loop system.They are small,clear(not braided),relatively stiff and had no knots or anything to catch on the guides.It's almost like the fly line just flows into the loop(very nice transition).I don't know anything about the strength of them compared to the braided loops though.Has anyone cast either of these or compared them to each other?Are there any other brands that are better?Any help is appreciated as I'm trying to decide whether I am going to trade the Cortland in on an Airflow or other brand that I have more confidence in.The line is still new in the box but I just don't like the loop system(the loops are so big that I just can't see it performing well).Sorry for posting a non spey line question but I'm having alot of trouble finding info on any of these lines.   
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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old 01-12-2002, 07:29 PM Thread Starter
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I can't comment on the Cortland lines because I haven't used them nor talked to anyone who has. I use the Air Flo version in both 6 weight and 9 weight and love it. You really have no idea it's a multi-tip when you're fishing it. The loops are the best I've seen. I've heard that the Mastery loops hinge more than others, though that problem may be fixed for the 2002 year. I also believe that the Rio version uses the same system as their spey lines and most of us have found that to be more than acceptable. I think it would be hard to improve on the Air Flo since the loops are made right from the core of the line so they'd have to be at least as strong as the line itself I would think.
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post #3 of 7 (permalink) Old 01-13-2002, 11:03 PM Thread Starter
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Bang on about the original cortland loops, great to cast but look out trying to get them back and forth through the guides. I have a few cortland spey prototypes that have this other(longer,softer) loop type. I cast them quite a bit this last summer and found they still enabled smooth turnover. Curious to see how this system would work on a single hand line. I do agree with you that they look, um, interesting but keeping an open mind. As for the airflo loops they sure seem to function well, you almost don't realize it is a multi-tip. Initially I thought durability would be a little suspect but haven't had nor heard of problems. As well, the airflo people claim that there have been no problems as such. One last thing, the LOOP loops found on their spey lines are suspiciously similar to the airflo loops. I did manage to blow up one of these loops(running line-floating head) this fall while using 12# maxima. As it cost me a fairly new line it is still a sore point and I have since rebuilt my LOOP loops.
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post #4 of 7 (permalink) Old 01-14-2002, 01:38 AM Thread Starter
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That is interesting Brian.I was wondering about the strength of the monocore loops compared to those made from the braided core.The Airflow loops are so smooth they almost flow into the main line with no knots,very nice.I just didn't know how strong they were in comparison to the other brands.I haven't heard many complaints though,so I may look to exchange my Cortland for one of these or for the Rio.I talked to a few flyshops and although no one would come right out and say the Cortland loops were not good,they all seemed to think they were a little too big and sloppy.Apperently the change was made with spey fishers in mind and the loops don't show much difference with the bigger rods in casting and they are better for passing through the guides.When I contacted a Cortland rep they said that this is what they were told that the main complaints were about the line.I was also told that most of the feedback was from spey fishers in their staff and that they were not sure about the performance on single handed rods.They hadn't had any feed back yet.Maybe I'm just being paranoid about them but 4" between the flylines just seems to big to me.Especially when all the other companies still seem to be sticking to the small stiff loops.Not many places seem to carry the Airflow though,which is surprising considering there is the highest amount of mark up on these lines.Oh well if anyone else has any thoughts or knows where I can exchange a new Cortland for an Airflow,I'd love to hear them.
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First of all Loop loops look like Air Flo's because Air Flo manufactures the Loop lines these days. Secondly, call Air Flo's US distributors, Rajeff Sports at 866.347.4359. They can refer you to their dealer nearest you or they will sell you the line direct from Rajeff and credit the dealer of your choice or the dealer nearest to you. That way if it's a trek to the dealer closest to you and you KNOW what you wnat, they will save you that trip.Æ
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post #6 of 7 (permalink) Old 01-14-2002, 09:02 AM Thread Starter
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F&F, i have used the Rio multi-tip lines on my single handed Steelhead rods in 8wt and they work great. I had no problems with them, no hinging and the loops went through the guides no problems,tight lines,brian
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post #7 of 7 (permalink) Old 01-14-2002, 12:00 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the replies.Now I just need to find a place to exchange my Cortland.Most of the shops in my area only carry Cortland and SA brands so I will probably have to hope that somewhere on the coast would do some kind of a swap for me.The line is new in the box.Never used. 
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