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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-10-2001, 09:12 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hello All-
I've been lurking here for a while, but this is my first post.  After dreaming of spey rods for years, my partner just found a great deal on an older Sage 9140 and has put it under the christmas tree for me.  As she needed my advice, it isn't a secret, obviously, but my feelings aren't hurt!  I write, then, looking for advice on lines and reels. 
 
After poking around online and talking to some friends, I think I'm leaning toward the Rio Windcutter Multitip 9/10/11.  I've had good luck w/ Rio in for my single-handed rods, and like the idea of avoiding extra spools.   But as none of the shop folks in Eugene seem to know much about the subject, I'm wondering if you all could give me some advice.  Is this a good bet for a begining caster? 
 
Also, I'm looking to get into an inexpensive reel--suggestions?  (Actually, I have a Hardy Bougle 3 3/4 for my 8wt, any chance of an appropriate line fitting on it?)
 
thanks in advance,
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post #2 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-10-2001, 10:26 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hi Kevin,  I have a Redington reel that is new in the box( the 13/14, in black,reg arbour)  It just dosnt have a loud enough click for me, but has the capacity and is silky smooth.  I could let you have it for cheap.  Bruce.
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Kevin,
   You will find many and varied opinions about which line is best. Personally I love the Windcutter. I'm not sure which weight would be best for your Sage. On my St. Croix I use a 9/10/11and a 10/11/12 Tips. I haven't decided which one I like the best yet. When using the heavier line with the heavier sink tips you can leave the center section (tip # 2) out and it seems to help in the learning stage. If you do decide to go with a WC type line you might also check out the new Airflo Delta lines.
   As for your reel, I used an old 1496 1/2 Pflueger for a long time with a 9/10/11 WC and what I considered to be plenty of backing. If you use the Bougle your rod may feel a little tip heavy. Mine did with the Pflueger but I got used to it pretty quick. Buy the line, spool it on and see how much backing you can put on. If you think it's enough your in business. You can always get a bigger reel later. You might look at the Magnums. They are pretty tuff. You can get one for under $70.00 USD including airmail from Carlson's Fly shop in the U.K.
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post #4 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-10-2001, 07:42 PM Thread Starter
 
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For an affordable spey reel look at the Teton Tioga 12 for $160. I initially bought one as a backup but now I prefer it to a Lamson. The drag system seems unaffected by any water dunking when landing/releasing fish. With a Windcutter 9/10/11 you can spool approximately 250 yds of backing. The 9/10/11 is a good match for a 9140 or the St. Croix 14' and is easy to cast. Rio's spey line/rod recommendations have been right on the money for me (www.rioproducts.com). Happy Casting.
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post #5 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-10-2001, 10:00 PM Thread Starter
 
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Kevin,
Line-wise, you've asked the 150.00 question! I bought my first two-hander about a year ago and like yours it is an old style 9140-4. I asked questions and read the archives on this site and ended up buying a 8-9-10 windcutter, mostly because some people felt the 9-10-11 overloaded the rod. Did I make the right choice? Maybe, maybe not. My casting is still inconsistent. I do know, however, that when I am casting well I'm able to lay out as much line as I want (about 90 ft from rod tip to the fly), so I think that my casting limitations are due to technique rather than equipment. Check out the archives on this site, they'll help to educate and confuse you even more than this post. Whatever you decide on I'd advise you to practice a lot without a fly on your leader; I found that when I tried to practice and fish at the same time I did neither well.
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post #6 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-10-2001, 10:52 PM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks for the prompt and hearty response.  I apologize for not perusing the archives more closely before posting my query; last night I spent some time with the site and found the answers to my questions in previous posts.  I suppose I should say that I found that my questions were at issue for this community.  So it goes. 
 
I've ordered a 9/10/11 Windcutter multitip, but it's not too late to exchange it for the 8/9/10.  I think, though, that I'll stick w/ the heavier line for learning.  I cast (flailed would be the more appropriate verb!) this line on a friend's Vision and on a St. Croix too.  Seemed to be ok for my lay tastes.   
 
I think I'll try the line on my Bougle and see how it goes.  Problem is, I only have one spool for it.  So I'll have to follow Trey Combs's advice and strip the line on and off during my trip to Olympic Peninsula next week when I want to fish the single-hander.  Small price to pay I suppose, but as we'll be camping, also not an easy task.
 
Thanks for the lead on the Magnum, the Pflueger and Tioga advice jives with what I was thinking, and thanks also for the Redington offer (I'll pass, though, as I agree, after fishing Hardy, the redington's silence is sort of disconcerting!)  And the links are great too.  Think I'll have to head to the Sandy in May! 
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Since you have decide to keep your Bougle and change lines, let me suggest the following.
 
First, make a very large loop connection at the line end of your backing, I use a bimini knot and double the line. Make this loop large enough that you can pass a full line on the factory spool though it. If your fly lines do not have a loop at the back end, make one . You can use the braided loops or just fold the line over and whip finish with heavy thread or 10 lb mono.
 
Struble makes a line winder that is compact enough to take camping. It costs about $40 if I remember right. With this you can wind line off a factory spool onto your reel very fast and easy. When taking line off the reel, you can either wind it back onto the factory spool or just wind it onto the line winder and then very easily remove it and store the line in a zip lok bag until you need it again. Lines stored in zip lok bags don't take up near the space as factory spools or spare (reel) spools.
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post #8 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-11-2001, 12:18 AM Thread Starter
 
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Kevin
One of the old standards is the Hardy Marquis. It's a very reliable click and pawl that will never go out of style. You'll always be able to get parts for it. Hardy no longer makes the Salmon #2 or Salmon #3, but they are available on internet auctions all the time. I have two #2s and one #3. All with spare spools. Also, see Dana's Spey pages for recommendations.
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post #9 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-11-2001, 03:36 AM Thread Starter
 
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I keep posting this everytime somebody asks about a decent inexpensive fly reel:
 
LL Bean is apparently still closing out a quite large and very nice reel for $79, with spare spools $59. 
 
 
Perhaps the page is old, but I used it successfully to pick up another reel 6  or 8 weeks ago.  You might need to call in; customer service seems great.
 
The reel holds a Windcutter 9-10-11 spey with at least 200 yards of backing.
 
I'm even happier with the reel now than when I first got it--it's proven its toughness on rocks as well as fish now.  I took a horrendous fall on the Umpqua in October, didn't let go of the rod like I usually do, landed with the reel smashing down on a rock.  There's a nice scratch and nick, but no deflection of the frame whatsoever.
 
The reel has a nice drag, a nice sounding click, and is very attractive, too.  Machined after casting.
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post #10 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-12-2001, 02:43 PM Thread Starter
 
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Kevin,
 
If the rod is the older 4pc, and you plan on throwing sink tips most of the time, the 8/9/10 would be the correct line.  However, this line will be a little too heavy for throwing the floating tip.  For floating line work I would strongly lean towards the 7/8/9.   
 
My suggestion would be to save the money on the reel and buy the 8/9/10 with tips, and the 7/8/9 as a straight floater (half the price).
 
If the rod is the 3pc version, then you will have to go with the heavier lines, best of which I am not sure.
 
Please follow JD's advice on the bimini backing loop and making a small loop on the back of your flyline.  Using a portable line winder, Anglers Image or Struble, will allow you to quickly change lines without tying any knots. 
 
Best of luck,
 
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For what it's worth, Bill, the folks at LL Bean tell me the reels you mention are all gone.
 
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Whichever Windcutter you decide on, I'd suggest cutting some of the running line off the rear end. It may enable you to fit it on your 3 3/4" Bougle, but even if it doesn't, you don't need 150' of flyline on any reel. I usually cut mine back to a very optimistic 120'. You may want to cut yours back a little more, depending on how far you think you're going to cast.
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Keep the Bougle. If you like that type of reel, they are well respected and have that classic look. The Redingtons and Tetons are also suitable reels.
 
Measure the length of the tube (under the tree) and you will be able to determine whether Santa brought you a three or four piece rod without having to ask. They are qiute different actions and perform better with different lines.
 
If possible, put off buying a line until you have had a chance to become familiar with the rod and it's characteristics, as well as your abilities. You might try and find some other Spey casters in your area and see if they would be willing to share their knowledge and maybe their lines to help determine what works best for you.
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I see you like Hardy reels. What about a Cascapedia it looks nice
Cascapedia 4/0 Salmon Fly Reel
" A high class fly reel for salmon fishing, made expressly to meet the requirements of anglers in Canada and the U.S.A." Original Hardy Brothers catalogue description, 1932.

This magnificent hand-built multiplier reel was designed during the golden days of game fishing to meet the requirements of anglers fly-fishing for big salmon in fast-flowing rivers. Now, the limited edition re-release of the Cascapedia allows a new generation to share in the excitement that their predecessors experienced and to fly-fish for salmon in true style.
The S-shaped handle is both beautiful and practical. It has been carefully counter-balanced to prevent the slightest shudder in a reel running at full speed. When a hooked fish finally turns at the end of a long run, the 1.7/1 ratio of the multiplier allows fast take-up of any slack in the line. The drag selector lever can be adjusted to seven different levels, and the check button allows the reel to be set to an audible click for anglers who prefer to hear as well as feel the action, or to silent operation on a running line for stealth.
4 Hardy master-craftsmen, numbering 116 years of experience between them, were chosen to recreate the Cascapedia. Each maker's name is commemorated alongside the limited edition number on a stainless steel medallion on the winding plate. Another medallion displays the Royal Warrant of HRH The Prince of Wales, an honor which has graciously been granted by successive generations of royalty to the present day.
Diameter: 4 3/16"
Weight: 17.5 oz.
Line
 AFTM
 30 lb. Backing capacity
 
Distance Spey Salmon
 #9
 + 250yd
 
Distance Spey Salmon
 #10
 + 200yd
 
Distance Spey Salmon
 #11
 + 150yd
 
Double taper (DT)
 #9
 + 250yd
 
Double taper (DT)
 #10
 + 200yd
 
Double taper (DT)
 #11
 + 150yd
 
The price may not be what you had in mind
 
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Hi Willy:A fine reel with an appropriate name; but I couldent help
wondering just how many of your readers would understand its significance.
The Cascopedia River is one of the fine Atlantic Salmon rivers of the
world. Rising high in the Gaspey peninsula of Quebec it flows down into the
Baie des Chaleures just across from the new Brunswick city of Cambeltown.
A fine river comemorated by a fine reel
Bud Smithers
Kelowna BC

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