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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 08-11-2001, 08:35 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hi everyone:
As we are all too aware Speyrods, Spey Flies and the art of Speycasting hail from Scotland. Do you find that fishing the dry fly works well with Spey casting? In normal overhead casting or when you add false casts you tend to remove water from your dry fly. However, in Speycasting and ists variations the fly lands in the water and adds to the line stick before you propel it out on your forward cast. Don't you find that your flies become water logged after a short while? What kind of remedies do you use (if any?). Moreover, in Spey fishing do you think that you can present a dry as gently as with overhead casts, as gently as the proverbial snowflake settling on the water?
I'm just pondering some of these questions hoping for rain and improved fishing conditions.
Tom, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 08-11-2001, 10:49 PM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Willie GunnDate: 8/11/2001 6:49 PM
Huckleberry,
I hail from Scotland and do alot of fishing on the Spey, not dry fly tho'. I have tried dry fly fishing but use a single handed rod. The biggest problem is not the casting but the pull of the current on the line and fly. The spey is very fast running the next time I'm out I'll give it go and let you know.
 
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post #3 of 8 (permalink) Old 08-12-2001, 02:48 PM Thread Starter
 
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dry flys with traditional hackles +bodys dont work to well withspey casts but modern materials and deer hair floaters work well "in the Film" rather than on the surface , and with practice +tackle tinkering you , ll get ultra delicate presentation with the lighter lines
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post #4 of 8 (permalink) Old 08-12-2001, 07:52 PM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Fred EvansDate: 8/12/2001 3:52 PM
Morning Tom, Dry flys perse (sp?) I've had zero sucess in keeping them on the surface with one notable exception. With the shorter/lighter Spey rods (6's and 7's) I use Bomber patterns well gooped with silicon gel floatant. On slow/flat water runs they work very well even when tied with a riff. hitch. I think the whole 'secret' is the lighter rod, long low test tippet (usually a max of 6-8#), etc. No Joy with floaters for winter fish but always carry a box of different floaters in my vest during the summer.
 
Only recommendation I have for this type of fishing is 'releave' yourself before you begin casting. If you get a take it's the most dramatic experience in the fishing world. Warm wet waders are not recommended ....   :>)
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post #5 of 8 (permalink) Old 08-16-2001, 02:16 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hi Tom
Yep you CAN Spey cast a dry fly.I use Bombers  (size #2)exclusively as a dry for Atlantics.The secret is to PRACTICE landing your fly gently to the water.90% of the casters I see on rivers will have NO success(at least for Atlantics) as their dries fall rather heavily to the water.Try making a solution by shaving a SMALL amount of parrafin wax into some napfa.Your dries will stay afloat for hours,and just as important your fly will skate across the surface as you draw it away for another cast. Oh yes try aiming for the trees(above the opposite bank) and your fly will fall like a feather to the surface.
 One CAN outfish others on the river believe me
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post #6 of 8 (permalink) Old 08-18-2001, 08:01 PM Thread Starter
 
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Brian:

What rivers do you fish? What would be your normal casting distance for this kind of fishing and what kind of equipment do you use? From having seen others fish I find that dry fly fishing for Atlantics is often sight fishing and distances are quite short, 30 -40 ft. So the question arises whether 2- handed rods and Spey fishing equipment lend themselves well to this situation.
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post #7 of 8 (permalink) Old 08-19-2001, 01:01 PM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: andy wrenDate: 8/19/2001 9:01 AM
spey casting is not just for double handed rods ,you can doit with rods as short as 6ft and suitable line . Its agreat way too fish where there is no room for back casts and using cotrived loops ect you can get your flys into places wher e conventional casts cannot reach ... RE fishing dry,s as the fly doesnot get up to avery hi speed change of direction they tend too be waterlogged and fish in the film rather than on the film ..... Do try using the shorter rod with nymps and wee wets ,one tip use a high casting hand it helps you get a big ger loop ..Andy Wren
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post #8 of 8 (permalink) Old 08-25-2001, 11:34 AM Thread Starter
 
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Yes, I love fishing the dry (for steelhead) with the Spey rod.  I fish an overgrown elk hair caddis with a modified muddler head, and it stays on top quite well.  (I often use a riffle hitch, depending upon how I trimmed the head.)  I use bombers, too, but this fly lands and rides lighter on the water, plus takes less time to tie, since there is less hair spinning and trimming.
 
One thing I found a couple seasons ago--Aquel gel floatant (by Loon Outdoors)  is a very superior floatant for large dries, especially those with spun hair.   It works far better than anything else I have tried, and practically will waterproof a fly through a whole day's fishing.  I have no commercial affiliation (I'm an engineer), and I prefer a more liquid floatant for my typical trout flies, but for steelhead dries it is fantastic.
 
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