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post #1 of 4 (permalink) Old 08-13-2001, 08:31 PM Thread Starter
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Originator: EugeneDate: 8/13/2001 3:31 PM
I was wondering if some of you more experienced casters could help me out with something: occasionally, my forward cast seems to suddenly stop or slow about fifteen feet from the end of the fly line (a windcutter). The remaining line and leader will point straight up for a time, then will eventually roll out, but by the time it does the belly will have already landed and have been swept downstream. So the presentation starts with a huge downstream belly.
It doesn't happen always but it's often enough to be annoying. I don't think it's from a lack of power applied, more likely it's from a technique problem preventing effective transfer of power down the line. I'd appriciate any advice I could get on this.
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post #2 of 4 (permalink) Old 08-14-2001, 01:26 AM Thread Starter
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Originator: Rick JDate: 8/13/2001 8:26 PM
To help turn over the line, it is just as critical with a two handed rod as with a traditional single handed rod to stop dead on the forward cast.  A hard stop will really help flip the tip over and trasfer the energy out to the end of the cast.  Due to the long rod and leverage this can be more difficult with the two handed rod.  Try to stop hard and stop with the rod tip high before following the line down to the water with the rod tip.
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post #3 of 4 (permalink) Old 08-29-2001, 11:00 PM Thread Starter
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Originator: SimonDate: 8/29/2001 6:00 PM
Hi Eugene

I fully understand your problem and have seen it many times. What Rick says is very true and can be a major cause of the belly landing first. The other points to consider are that you have a soft 'traditional' action rod - these are far more likely to create this 'lump' in your forward loop than the faster tip action rods. You could be overloading the rod with too much line weight as this will also have the same effect. Finally, one of the most common causes of this problem is pivoting with the bottom hand on the forward stroke of the cast. In other words, you are not using both left and right hand together as a short positive snap. In reality about 40% of the forward power should be generated by the bottom hand snapping backwards. If you only hold the rod in the bottom hand and then drive with the upper hand you will loose a lot of speed in the line and end up with this lump.

I hope this gives you a few ideas and you manage to sort out the problem.

All the best
Simon Gawesworth
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post #4 of 4 (permalink) Old 08-30-2001, 10:31 AM Thread Starter
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Originator: Fred EvansDate: 8/30/2001 5:31 AM
Simon and the Rickster have nailed for me vis a vis this cast wast 'text book' next wasn't with one addition. The more line you have out the more you have to slow down your cast; e.g. get more line out of the water.
I find (Damn it Fred!) that if the line stops like a bull whip and crashes like it's been throttled, it's a case of trying to ovekill the cast. Or for Moi, I'm trying to cast 100 feet to a place that's 70 feet. Book on tape, CD player with soothing music ... slow down and go with the flow. Opera is best; some band named 'dead virgin whatever' is not a good choice.
Point is to 'distract yourself' from the task of casting (Importent note: you will NOT be distracted from what's going on at the end of your me on this!); as Luke Skywalker (Son loves this stuff would say) Go with the Force.  (20 points for 'ol Dad).
Watch guys like "long cast Steve," and many others who are farrrrrr better than me, their motions flow, nothing is forced and 130 some feet are out there and gone. Totally fluid motion from start to finish and film of many of them from the Spey Clave to prove it.
I guess the Rant is to show you're among too many friends; fish don't care if you can put the damn thing out 100+++ feet; like romancing a Lady, it's "presentation" that counts.
And I had Joan's permission to say the last.
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