Leader knots and spooked fish - Spey Pages
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
post #1 of 4 (permalink) Old 08-07-2001, 12:46 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,411
Originator: martyDate: 8/6/2001 8:46 PM
Maybe a dumb observation but I just started building my own leaders (maxima clear) and it occurred to me that having all those knots might spook fish, esp. the big knots at the butt end, and esp. for spey casting since I'm building 14' - 15' floating leaders. I use a double surgeons knot. If I want to taper down to 8# or less for low/clear water than I might have many different sections. Any thoughts?
 
Just trying to find an excuse for why I haven't gotten into fish lately, in spite of a record run on most of the rivers by me! Maybe going back to knotless leaders will prove me right/wrong.
 
Thanks,
Marty
ISC Archives is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 4 (permalink) Old 08-07-2001, 08:57 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,411
Originator: PoulDate: 8/7/2001 4:57 AM
I don't think I've EVER used a knotless tapered leader in about 30 years for steelhead ( I occasionally use a knotless leader for trout when I'm too lazy to tie up a knotted one).  Leader knots are the least of your worries in regards to spooking fish -- if your knot is going to spook them, you can bet your fly will too.  The leader formula I use for a floating line is as follows (green maxima):
 
8 feet 30lb;
6 feet 25lb;
9"   20lb;
9"   15lb;
30'  12lb
 
If you want to go lighter, cut the tippet back to 9" and keep going down in diameter in 9" chunks until you add your tippet for a total length of 20 or 21 feet.  You should have no difficulties turning it over with flies up to #2/0.  Anything bigger than that and you better cut back to 15lb.
 
Poul
 
 
 
 
 
 
ISC Archives is offline  
post #3 of 4 (permalink) Old 08-07-2001, 08:59 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,411
Originator: PoulDate: 8/7/2001 4:59 AM
p.s.  I use a blood knot as opposed to a surgeon's knot, out of habit more than anything else.  The blood knot might be a bit less bulky.
 
Poul
ISC Archives is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 4 (permalink) Old 08-07-2001, 09:04 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,411
Originator: PoulDate: 8/7/2001 5:04 AM
p.p.s.  Forgot to mention I have a couple of feet of 40 lb on the end of my fly line which attachs to my leader with double loops -- that's how you get up to 20'.
 
Poul
ISC Archives is offline  
 

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Spey Pages forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Linear Mode
Rate This Thread:



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome