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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-05-2001, 11:40 PM Thread Starter
 
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At the Spey Clave last year there was talk that SA might soon be manufacturing some of the custom lines that Bubba and others have been working on.  Any update on this?
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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-05-2001, 11:53 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hi Rick! I haven't had a recent update on this but I think that some of these lines might become available early in the New Year. In the meantime you can loop or splice the front taper of a Wulff Triangle Taper Spey onto the front of a Mastery Spey and have an extended belly Spey Line that will serve you quite well!
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post #3 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-06-2001, 06:01 AM Thread Starter
 
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The lines should be available for next season, and after having tried them can say in my opinion that they will blow away any other line out there. I cant wait to have some to play with.
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post #4 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-06-2001, 04:32 PM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Fred EvansDate: 11/6/2001 1:32 PM
Nuts! Can't find it now, but somewhere (last week) someone on a board had the full scoop on these new lines. Said they were going to call them the "Delta Spey" lines. I'll keep hunting for the 'thread' and post it here when I find same.
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post #5 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-06-2001, 04:51 PM Thread Starter
 
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hey fred,
look under the general category under airflo. the very last comment. he lays out the delta spey specs.  
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post #6 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-06-2001, 07:11 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hi Guys,
I think there may be a little confusion between the Airflow Delta and the new SA spey line. The Delta spey that Airflow is introducing may be a very serviceable and wonderful line to fish with, but is nothing like the Scientific Anglers new spey line. (At least in my opinion!) SA and a very good friend have been diligently working on taper design, mass profiles, optimum belly and  taper lengths, etc., etc., etc., for the past year. What thesnew SA lines allow is an option for those spey casters desiring a longer belly line that doesn't have to be stripped and shot. The 8,9,10 weight lines are in their final stages of refinement, and from what I hear will hopefully be available sometime early next year...I for one can't wait!
 
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post #7 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-07-2001, 10:56 AM Thread Starter
 
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Steve knows what he's talking about concerning te new SA lines.
 
As for the airflo lines there is the delta spey and then there is another one on their website (7000T series) that is 105 feet long. On this one the back taper doesn't quit until 100 ft!. Rumor has it that Dec Hogan and Tim Rajeff worked out the tapers on one of these new series lines. Don't know which, but suspect  the delta spey as it only has a belly of about 65 ft an Dec is a proponent of shooting line. At least that is what I've heard. I will have a chance to try some of these lines in a few weeks. Will report back then.
 
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post #8 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-07-2001, 02:07 PM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: storlaksDate: 11/7/2001 11:07 AM
Folks, I am very interested in these new SA lines. I am currently looking to
purchase a new kit for my T&T 15' and was deciding between the Rio
Windcutter/Mid-Spey or the new Loop Adapated, but if these new lines will be
available in the NY then I'll hang-off. If anyone has any more details on
these lines....i.e. specs etc then please give me the pointer.

Will they release these new lines World-wide or will the US have first
crack?

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post #9 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-07-2001, 04:15 PM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: J.R. SPEYDate: 11/7/2001 1:15 PM
You might first want to decide exactly what type of line you really need. It is my understanding that the new SA line will be an extreme front taper line, which would make it closer to being an Accelerator line than anything else. All three lines you mentioned are significantly different from each other and all of them are different than the new SA. You're looking a tapers that run from about 33' to maybe 80'-90' on the new SA. Just because the SA line will be new, doesn't mean it will be a better line for everyone and every condition.y
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post #10 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-07-2001, 08:06 PM Thread Starter
 
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The 7000Ts Air Flo line has been discontinued. They were known as the Speycaster Taper Salmon/Steelhead Series and if you want one you'll need to find a dealer that has one. They were actually quite nice casting, being based on the tapers that Micahel Evans developed over a decade ago. I wouldn't doubt that series may remain available in the UK as there are many Air Flo lines that are not marketed in the US. A Dec Hogan line based loosely on the popularity of the Rio lines would seem to be more desirable to most North American speycasters.
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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-07-2001, 10:57 PM Thread Starter
 
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Regarding the New SA Line. I know that Bubba's contributions are in large part responsible for the design of these lines, if not solely responsible.
 
Bubba's lines fall back on more of a pickup and carry line for casters, who if they feel neccessary can have up to 100 feet  (or more, I'm not sure of the total completed belly length) of line to carry, mend, and utilize for fishing. A very sensible design in my opinion as you never have to worry about shooting/running line unless you're really wailing them out there.
 
From what I recollect casting a 10 wt. prototype on my Sage Euro 9140-3 was that it added an honest 10-15 feet of distance to my distance for picking up and casting (as opposed to stripping and shooting) for a similar distance as if I picked up and carried my Tri Tip (so I obviously never surpassed 65 feet plus 15 feet of leader worth of casting but still.... This says something to me. It is does not have an accelerator as it does not have a power hinge, and the SA coating I feel is superior IMHO which may also be an advantage to many casters (not all obviously).
 
I'm looking forward to his line coming out which, what I've heard should be sometime in the new year definately.  Good on ya Bubba!
 
 
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post #12 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-07-2001, 11:04 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hi J R Spey.
 
Michael Evans lines are still available in the UK look at www.michaelevans.co.uk
 
I have one of the Intermediates they are twin coloured with the running line being a bright yellow, it is alright, IMHO the head it on the shortside I prefer the Lee Wulff triangular taper as I hate all the running line round my feet/ legs etc.
 
 
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post #13 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-08-2001, 02:06 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: J.R. SPEYDate: 11/7/2001 11:06 PM
Willie,

I've also casted the newer Michael Evans lines. They are quite a bit different than the older Speycasters. The new ones remind me more of the Loop Adapted lines because the tapers are so short, hence the large amount of running line.

The Michael Evans Speycasters were available in two versions. One had about a 60' taper and the other (which I think he called the Professional) had an 80' taper. This was all almost a decade ago, but I think I'm close on this. The Air Flo Speycasters are pretty close to the latter design because I also have a couple of those and they cast similarly.
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post #14 of 21 (permalink) Old 12-05-2001, 07:51 AM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks for the interest in the SA spey lines...

i thought i'd post this for any that may be interested, and to possibly clear up some potential confusion with other products.

Bruce Richards from SA has been hard at work cranking out prototypes of my line designs. So far, the progress has been extremely encouraging, and we have a nearly perfect 7 weight, 8 weight, and (for my style of casting anyway), a perfect 9 and 10 weight. SA has been really good about working with numerous specification changes... the tapers are complex, and the mass profiles are exacting. The prototypes have been extensively field tested in a variety of conditions, from B.C. to Oregon, from Washington to Russia's Kola peninsula and points in between.

The lines are a long belly continuous taper design, and we have been careful to try to anticipate the types of fishing that would likely be done with each line weight. each line is designed to be carried at it's full belly length without having to strip and shoot, and in the heavier line weights, stripping and shooting beyond the belly is definitely possible in the hands of an expert (like steve choate, whom i have witnessed casting 145 feet to the fly with a stock 9 weight 15 foot scott and one of the prototypes!). We spent a tremendous amount of time working on the line profiles to maximize forward loop dynamics and performance throughout the casting range of each line.

However, the primary design goal was to create a line that would cast well for the intermediate and advanced beginner, hopefully adding additional distance and control without additional effort. the prototypes were tested extensively on beginning spey fishermen (and women) on the deschutes this fall, and the feedback was very postive.

According to Bruce Richards, a public release of a floating head version in late January or, at the latest, February, looks realistic. I assume that the line will be released worldwide through SA Mastery dealers.

Thanks for all the support, interest, and feedback! I hope this line will add to the enjoyment of the sport!
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post #15 of 21 (permalink) Old 12-06-2001, 10:04 PM Thread Starter
 
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Bubba,
 
Are you at liberty to disclose the head length on these new lines? 80, 90, 100 ft? Will they all be the same length, or will the heavier lines be longer than the lighter lines?
 
I know we are all anxiously awaiting the arrival of these new lines. If I thought I could get one any sooner, I would be standing in line to put a deposit down on a tips line.
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