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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 02-20-2000, 05:11 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Dave JohnsonDate: 2/20/2000 2:11 AM

I've been tying tube flies lately and trying them out on the Nooksack.  Per indicated that the Owner hook was the best he had found.  I have purchased them, but the eye of the hook is too large to fit into the tube. Is this a problem? Is there a way to make it fit, e.g. using a smaller tube on the line to cover the not and stick in the tube?  Or do I just need to use a tube material that has a larger diameter?  Does anyone have any ideas?  By the way, they look great in the water but I haven't caught any steelhead on them.

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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 02-22-2000, 03:47 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hello Dave,

Tubes is a complex topic. As I do maybe 80% of my annual fishing with tube flies I need to them in overall lengths ranging from 10 to less than 1 inches. Normal sizes would be 5 - 1 1/2". As the wing almost always is at least a third longer than the actual tube those range from 3 1/2" to 1/8" for the smallest. Within this spread the diameter of the tubes of course differs.

Most often I tie on polyethene tubing of a brand which is made for medical purposes. Larger flies were I use the Owner 1/0 hooks has the following measures - Outside diameter: 3 mm, Inside diameter: ~2mm. To get the hook in I hold it in a pair of forceps and "wiggle" the hook on. The eye should just come inside of the tube.

If you want to weight a fly I either wrap some lead under the body or add a tungsten conehead. Here it is useful to fit the conehead on a thinner diameter poly tube which can be pushed up inside the main tube. For permanent fixture I superglue it but more often I make the extra tubing long enough to stick by mere friction. Then I can use the same flie both unweigthed and weighted. Actually one can adjust the weight further still by having several sizes of cone heads attached on those smaller tubes. I like that concept were the weight comes forward and in effect counterbalances the hook to ensure a parallell swim also in slacker water.

Hopefully you are all confused by now!

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post #3 of 9 (permalink) Old 02-22-2000, 05:36 PM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks Per,

I appreciate the help with the tube flies.  I like the idea of using a cone head to weight the tube fly weighted, particularly being able to weight or unweight the fly.  I have used smaller tubing that goes over the knot to the hook and inside my tube to fix the larger Owner hooks.  In the future I'll need to tie tube flies on a larger tube to accomodate the larger hooks.  Hopefully I'll soon be able to fish somewhere where there are fish to catch.  Dave

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post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old 02-23-2000, 10:59 PM Thread Starter
 
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A friend of mine is into tying tube flies and what he does is use a small section of fine surgical tubing that he fits over the butt-end of the tube and over the eye of the hook - it works like a damn. I believe he leaves the last little bit of the tube bare to accomodate the tubing. As well, he uses a ring eye hook like the Tiemco 800B. I'm not sure where he gets the tubing but I think its from the fly shop - I'll find out and get back to you - tight lines - tyler.
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post #5 of 9 (permalink) Old 04-26-2000, 06:18 AM Thread Starter
 
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Per,

I have identified 4 different Owner hooks in the 1/0 size.  Could you tell use if you use the Gorilla, Saltwaer needle point, Flyliner or Aki modles of this hook?

Thanks, Jack K

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post #6 of 9 (permalink) Old 04-28-2000, 10:43 PM Thread Starter
 
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reply to john about hooks. this will look strange but try an owner offset worm hook in size 1 or 2 called the J hook listed in basspro shops under letter G. MY LAND/HOOK RATIO IS 21 OF 23 WITH THIS HOOK.
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post #7 of 9 (permalink) Old 04-29-2000, 10:12 AM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks for th info on the hooks.  Are these good fits for tube flies?

Jack

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post #8 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-01-2000, 10:35 PM Thread Starter
 
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reply to John           I  use  this hook with a type of tube fly. I tie this hook on with a loop knot. i put a tube on the back of acut off hook shankand i pull the knot into the tube with thehook facing up. I       pull the eye of the hook up tight to the tail end of the tube.if your tube is of a size that makes for a sloppy fit try pegging it with a toothpick like a bass fisherman does with the weight on atexas rigged worm.
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post #9 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-03-2000, 09:42 AM Thread Starter
 
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Per had suggested using the Owner Aki hook size 1/0. It is a beautiful hook, but as noted in previous discussion I had trouble fitting the rather large eye in my tubes. I also obtained the Flyliner hook in both #1 and #2 sizes. It is essentially the same hook in a smaller size, also with a relatively large eye.  I have used IV tubing over my knot and then fixed the IV tubing in the tube fly.  It's not the best method, but has allowed me to use the hooks without having to tie all new tubes with larger diameters. Dave
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