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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-20-2001, 03:34 AM Thread Starter
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Just got one and have been very impressed!  I had heard various things about this rod and just wondering what others think as to lines and lengths that it will pick up, and if others find that distance is no problem, especially for a rod that will not be overkill anywhere.
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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-20-2001, 06:57 AM Thread Starter
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I had the opportunity to try out a Derick Brown favorite 9/10 about 3 weeks ago. I was in the market for a 15' #9 two hander, and I was hot to try the Winston. I picked up three demo rods from the Avid Angler in Seattle and drove up to Ben Howard on the Skykomish river. I had 2 lines, a Cortland 8-9 WF Spey, and an old Cortland DT 9 Lazerline. The other 2 rods were a Sage 9140-4 & 9150-4. I planned to evaluate all 3 with the DT for a fair comparison.

To give a little background, my main winter rod is a Sage 10150-3,  I fish this rod winter and spring with a 120' Cortland 10/11 Spey taper line, with the front taper chopped off and looped for sink tips, up to 16' #11 type 4. I have been fishing this rod for about 9 years, and about 90% of my Spey casting experience is with this rod. I have also owned a Sage 9140-4, a Bruce&Walker 15' #7 Hexegraph, a Golden West 13' #8, and a T&T 1208-3. 

I strung up the Winston first with the #9 DT. I had thought that Winston was making the Derik Brown favorite in 3 models, a #8 #9 and #10, but the demo I got was marked a 9/10. My impression was that this was a very powerfull rod, the action was completely different from my Sage rods, even so, I could pick up and single spey the entire 90' line without stripping in line(backing knot in my hand) On the down side, I didn't feel like I was really loading the rod with less than the full flyline out, also I thought the grip was too skinny, (I have large hands), and I didn't like the balance point being 8" forward of the end of the cork. I like to hold my rod at the balance point when I am actually fishing, I'm lazy and I like being able to move my hand up to the end of the cork and just let my arm hang by my side. I think this rod could easily handle a 120' 10/11 line, but I already have a rod that will do that, and I was really looking for a big river, floating line rod.

Next up the Sage 9140-4, what can I say, it's a 9140, maybe a little bit faster action than the classic, but anyone who has fished with a 9140 will recognise this rod.

Lastly the Sage 9150-4, I had heard that this rod was the replacement for the 8150-4. and frankley I didn't expect to like it. I had the opportunity to try Brian Lencho's  8150-4 a couple of years ago and I found it to be too soft for my casting stroke. This rod was a revelation for me, it was as if Sage had read my mind when they were designing it. It cast the DT#9 like a dream, On the second cast, with an old throw away fly, I actually hooked a fish, a 16" cutthroat! I put the 8-9 WF Spey line on it and instantly I was shooting line for 100' casts. The 9150 is a completely different rod from the old 8150. It is not as stiff as my Sage 10150-3 but it has much more backbone than the 8150 and the action seems ideal to me for casting a floating line.

So there you have it, I thought I would be coming home with the Winston and ended up buying the Sage. If your Winston is marked 9/10 I would recomend at least a #10 line maybe even a #11, I didn't have my 10/11 DT with me when I tried it, but I am sure it would handle this line nicely.

If anyone would like to buy a used T&T 12' #8 3 piece, or a Golden West 13' for a #8, I have 1 of each for sale contact me via email.


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post #3 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-21-2001, 08:50 AM Thread Starter
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Hey there Bubb. The rod that I have is the 8/9 and I have owned the 8150 and the 9150 and while I didnt mind them they were no where near the rod that the winston is. They both were very mushy in the tip and technique was very important with them, whil the winston would be very well suited to any level of caster. I think the big thing is somthing that stayed with me from a Derek Brown course where he explained how the old greenheart rods automatically set up the d loop in the correct way because of there weight and torque. Well this seams to be what the 8/9 does, and I must say that it is the easiest casting distance rod that I have ever cast, although I must admit that I havnt tried the 15ft scott for a 9wght of which I hear is also a cannon. I hope that you try the 8/9 before you make your final choice
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post #4 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-21-2001, 10:56 AM Thread Starter
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           I picked up the first D/B winston rod I could find, the 8/9 was the first rod ready in a series of four line weights. I have been very impressed with this rod, thier is nothing on the market that can compare as far as total power and distance. The weight of the rod took me a little getting used to but now feels comfortable. I would say that its very hard to overline this rod, it will cast a 10/ll mastery spey quite well but the 9/10 accelerator is just dead on for a floating line. I recently took Dereks course and when he cast my 8/9 with the 9/10 accelerator he really liked the way it loaded the rod through the mid section which got us to thinking that its really a 9/10 in disguise. The same thing went for the 9/10 winston it would cast the 10/11 mastery spey beautifully as far as you could cast it. So as far as the 10wt rod is concerned it will cast the heaviest lines available on the market, 11/12 wt lines. They are going to have a 7/8 out sometime in the near future I believe there are a few finished rods out thiert now but I think this rod will be more of an 8/9. I did try a 9/10 midspey with tips on my rod and it casted very sweet, not bogging the rod down at all. So here is my two cents worth on the new rods.
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post #5 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-21-2001, 08:18 PM Thread Starter
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My Derek Brown 10/11 came in about two weeks ago. To say it is heavy is an understatement. Not only that, as Bubb pointed out it is very tip heavy. It seems to be even more tip heavy than Mike Maxwell's rods. Is this what is necessary to create an automatic D-Loop? Suffice to say that after 30 minutes of practice casting I was exhausted. Keeping that tip out of the water during the drift will wear heavily on one's wrist and forearm. The solution, of course, is to use a reel which will balance the rod between the hands, but that will take a reel of over 16oz. Combine that pound with the 14.5oz of the rod and the weight of the line and backing and your total swing weight is over two pounds. No thanks. Don't get me wrong, the rod casts beautifully and unlike Bubb I really liked the narrow handle. It allows you to feel the blank working during casting. Also, the rod is drop dead gorgeous. One should also be aware of the fact that the price was increased to $895.00 for all four sizes. I suspect the newly announced 7/8 weight might end up being the most popular because it shouldn't be as tip heavy.

Though I love Derek's video, I found his presentation at the Fly Tackle Retailers' Show a dissappointment. He seemed totally unenthused about doing it and was nowhere near as informative (or entertaining) as Simon Gawesworth.

If you need a 15' 5-piece check out the Thomas & Thomas model. It is considerably lighter and less taxing to cast and casts almost as well. If a 4-pice will work, look to the new Loop Blue 15' 10/11. It is much lighter than either of the others and is really a launcher.
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post #6 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-22-2001, 11:57 PM Thread Starter
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            I suspected that some would be turned off by the weight of theses rods. I have not casted the 10wt yet but the 8/9 does not seem to be tip heavy at all most of the weight is in the butt section and I have been using pretty light reels such as a hardy salmon JLH disc and it feels quite comfortable. I would like to know what line you put on the 10wt rod. Derek did say that the finished rods were quite different than the prototype rods he recieved to test. I suspect they will be tweeking these rods for some time. Its to bad they raised the price 895.00 is alot more than some will be willing to pay when thier are some very good rods for 200.00 less. I think the new rods are awsome but they have some refining to do and I wish they would have done it before they put them on the market, I am quite sure that by next year the 8/9 wont be any thing like the one I have now.
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post #7 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-23-2001, 12:51 AM Thread Starter
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I dont know about the other rods as I have only used the 8/9 with a long head line(mastery8/9 with an extended tip 98ft in total)  I really have not cast anything like this rod and the weight is really not noticable at all.  The distance is a factor but I have caught quite a few rainbows in the 20-26 inch range on 4x and 5x tippets and have been impressed by the ability to do so, I havnt snapped a tippet yet.  the rod does what is advertised and that is cast 130ft easily and that is somthing that no other rod advertises to do. 
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post #8 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-23-2001, 05:26 AM Thread Starter
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I've used two lines so far with the 10/11 Derek Brown. We spent the most time with the 10/11 Mid-Spey in the multi-tip but with the floating tip attached. I also spent a short bit of time with the Air Flo Salmon Taper in 12 weight. Again, I had no problems with the way the rod castsand it casted both lines very well. I had a problem with the overall weight and especially with how tip heavy this rod is. I brought two other speycasters with me to try out the rod and they noticed the same thing. They are, however, younger and in better condition than I am, and were not as bothered by the weight. I guess if you need an easy 130ft in your fishing you ought to buy one of these. Since I've managed to get by with less than that here in the midwest as well as on the Restigouche and in Iceland I'll simply chhose a rod that's lighter. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that the first $500.00 can buy my Derek Brown. E-mail me at [email protected]
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