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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-03-2001, 08:16 PM Thread Starter
 
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Alright finally got the rod and reel and set out on a river near home to give it a try. I borrowed a friends SA 12DT line (the rod-Scott 15' 10Wt) I was probably over loading the rod but it gave me an idea of how the rod loads. Know question to all out there in the know,
m I better to go with a true double taper or windcutter to start? And again should I throw down for interchangeable tips right away or perfect my casting first. Oh and I forgot to bring tape and he rod loosened up (always tape I guess). And last, just curious do most of you guys get the whole line out easily
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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-04-2001, 02:07 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hi , from this side of the pond I would say go DT to start see if you can borrow a 10+11 wt line as the ratings on most rods are for over head casting and often a hevier line brings you a better cast when spey casting
do use tape , some of the guys will recomend wax ing the male ferrule , but I was brought up buy Falkus +Oglesby to tape and no problems since
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Originator: Fred EvansDate: 9/3/2001 9:26 PM
Have the same rod (one of several) and I use the 10-11-12 Rio windcutter with this rod. And it's a total cannon. I've actually almost mailed another  fisherman well over a 100 feet across the river from me. Most embarrasing, even if impressive.
 
The second line could be the tri-tip, but unless you have deep fast water you need to get down through (high flow rate, etc.) the dry line with a 15 foot, or so, leader with wted flys will fish you beautifly.
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post #4 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-04-2001, 02:29 AM Thread Starter
 
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A Windcutter (WC) line would be easier to learn on than a DT as the WC concentrates all of it's weight in the first 55 ft. What this means for a beginner is that with only forty or fifty feet of line out, you have enough weight to load the rod and make a cast. You can perfect your technique on the different casts while working a shorter length line.The down side is that once you are competent enough to handle the whole 55 ft, you must shoot line in order to cast any further. Some find that shooting line, and the required stripping in of that line between casts is an unnecessary pain.

A WC10/11/12 has a head weight of 740gr (55ft) A MidSpey10/11 has a head weight of 875gr but the head is 65 feet long. Probably weighing in close to the WC10/11/12 at the shorter ranges but still not so much as to drastically overload your rod at the full 65 ft length. You could drop down to a MS9/10 (725gr/65ft) but this is leading towards the DT in that there may not be enough weight (for a beginner) to load the rod. As you add more and more line into your cast, two things will soon become apparrent. Perfection of technique will become more critical, and in order for total line weight to remain within the limits of your rod, line weight per foot will become less.

If you are planning on doing any winter fishing, you will need sink tips. But you can add them later. It may seem cheaper to buy a multi tip line now. But if you change lines once or twice all the time buying the multi tip line because the tips are different, it can get pretty expensive.

Check the board. There was a rather lengthy discussion on the merits of taping ferrules.

 
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post #5 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-05-2001, 05:12 AM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks for all your reponses, I think I'll be leaning toward the double taper. When I was out
trying the rod with my friends 12WT double taper I could easily get 65-70 feet out, with that in mind I would probably grow out of the windcutter quickly as I would like to learn the ins and outs of traditional spey casting and not shooting the line. I truly beleive that J_D has a point about technique as I had about 85-90 feet out and accidentily shot it out quite easily a couple of times but have yet to figure out what I'm doing right when I do it. Ahhh the learning curve.
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post #6 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-05-2001, 07:41 AM Thread Starter
 
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JD his it nailed. Wish I had that command of the English Language.
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post #7 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-06-2001, 07:45 AM Thread Starter
 
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It's not that I have such a command of the language. When you are such a fumble fingers on a keyboard (that has buttons instead of frets) as I, and can't spell either, you spend a lot of time posting a reply.
 
Back in the dark ages, when I went to school, no one ever dreamed that people could make a living writing about this kind of stuff. Computer keyboards and me are kind of like old dogs and horses. They don't learn new tricks all that well and you can lead them to water..............
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post #8 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-10-2001, 10:04 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Fred EvansDate: 9/10/2001 5:04 AM
to jd
 
:>)
 
Interesting living on this side of the "pond." In Canada we're taught English-English. The Americans, bless them all the long, the short and the tall, are never told that they speak 'another language.' Interesting when they figure out they have to transalate from 'American' (the best language in the world) to 'English' which is the 'written language'of both (or should that be about 8 or 9 that come to mind).
 
Understand the key board thing; screen is too far away to really see properly, so spelling can go to hell in a hand basket with a flick of the finger. Assuming you don't want to put your nose (bifocals and all) a few inches (or shall we say centmtr. away). God, we are getting a bit long in the tooth arn't we.
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