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post #1 of 4 (permalink) Old 05-17-2000, 04:46 PM Thread Starter
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Originator: Peter MulbjergDate: 5/17/2000 12:46 PM

Last weekend I had the chance to try an older Scott Arc 1409-4 (with "red" wrappings). Eventhough i have never cast a twohander before I found the rod to be very easy to cast and with a very pleasing action, flexing all the way down into the handle. I made me think of my older Orvis full-flex 5 weight – very easy and calm. Just like the Orvis the Scott would not accept beeing forced – but letting the rod do the work I managed to get some distance into my cast – note that it was just lawncasting and just overhead casts.

Now for my question.

Since I fell in love with this rod on the spot as I did with my Orvis I was wondering – the new Scott Arc rods are – from what I have heard – stiffer than the older and since I seem to prefer slower rods, which rods come close to the "old" Scott action if I want a new rod or better – a blank !

Another Question –

How short can a Speyrod be ?



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post #2 of 4 (permalink) Old 05-17-2000, 09:57 PM Thread Starter
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Originator: bubbaDate: 5/17/2000 5:57 PM
hello peter

i know the "old" scott 14-09 well. it is indeed a very deep flexing, "traditional" spey rod which is well suited for beginning spey caster, extremely forgiving, and, as you noticed, not a rod to be rushed or forced. this rod is fully capable of fishing casts of 105 feet, and excells with floating lines, and actually has quite a bit of "oomph" available, but due to it's very slow action and relatively stiff tip, the loops are wide, and the shock dimple is realtively large.

all other things being equal, a longer rod will cast a longer line.

the new scott 15-09 is by far the finest 9 weight rod i have ever cast, and i can recommend it, without reservation, to any level spey caster. i have fished the 15-09 at distances of 110 feet with a 225 grain sink tip with no difficulty whatsoever.

blanks are avaialble, but i understand there is a little longer sait for a finished rod.

good luck
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post #3 of 4 (permalink) Old 05-18-2000, 12:43 AM Thread Starter
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I asked the same question regarding minimum length for Spey rods when I was looking for a light weight rod for summer steelhead. Most everyone I talked to, seemed to agree that 12 foot was the shortest they would want to use for "Spey style" casting. (That is, not overhead casting.) And some would put the minimum at 13 feet.
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post #4 of 4 (permalink) Old 05-18-2000, 03:16 AM Thread Starter
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Originator: DanaDate: 5/17/2000 11:16 PM
I have come to consider the term "Spey cast" to encompass a variety of methods of flycasting suitable for various styles and lengths of fly rods, rather than strictly designating a method of casting two-handed flyrods. It is possible to execute single-handed or two-handed Spey casts with virtually any length of rod--I routinely use single-handed Spey casts with all of my single-handed rods, which range between 7' and 10'; and for demonstration purposes during casting classes, I sometimes make double-handed Spey casts with the single-handed rods, and single-handed Spey casts with rods up to 15'. However, if we are considering a rod's ability to allow the angler to effectively cover more water than a single-hander, it would seem desirable for a double-handed rod to be longer than lengths traditionally associated with single-handed fly rods--the longer the rod, the more potential one has to effectively cover more water, which is one of the main factors many anglers consider when deciding to fish Spey rods .

There seems to be a transitional area in fly rod length where casters and manufacturers settle in on a two-handed design--somewhere between 11' and 12': rods under 11' tend to be single-handers; rods 12' and up tend to be double-handers. This of course makes sense because the longer rods become progressively more difficult to effectively cast single-handed; I feel that casters can even risk injury if they choose to routinely cast double-handed rods single-handedly.

I have a Sage 8100--a 10' 8 weight rod--that I Spey cast--I had a rod maker here in Vancouver custom make an extended fighting butt for this rod which I use as the lower handle when I Spey cast. Works quite well.

As with one's preference for particular rod actions best suited for Spey casting, the right or minimum length for a Spey rod I believe again comes down to personal preference. I hardly ever overhead cast my 8100 anymore--it's just more comfortable for me to Spey cast it. On the other hand, if memory serves me correctly, A.H.E Wood of Greased Line fame fished 12' single-handed rods using a single-handed, overhead casting method. I know that my shoulder couldn't handle that for long, but apparently Wood did just fine
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