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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-28-2001, 01:15 PM Thread Starter
 
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I have been reading about tube flys lately, I was just wandering what is the advantage of this style of fly.....Nate
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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-28-2001, 03:46 PM Thread Starter
 
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Good morning Nate.
 
(First, give me a call at work 734-2714 re: fishing this weekend. I'd call you but don't have your home #).
 
Anyway, I'm just getting "into" tube flys so this is a Very Unprofessional Opinion (Willie: climb in here anytime!!) but from my readings there appears to be several high points to tubes. You can make them any size you want and still use any hook size you want. They're "tied in the round" so the siloet (sp?) is the same from any angle. And you can tie them on a variety of materials for floaters, light to heavy sinkers.
 
Have some tied now so you can try some this weekend if you wish.
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you can change a damaged hook and still have your fly .  hook to land ratio is over 80% for me. this due to two reasons : use a short shank but still have a long profile fly. this reduces the leverage on the hook when playing a fish. second the placement of the hook is back much further on that profile.  i hook  a lot of fish on theout side of the jaw . this also is prferred for a good release. by outside i mean the the side  of the jaw or nose that faces the other side of the river from me.also because i place my hook so that it faces up i hook most of  my fish in the upper part  of themo0uth -jaw opening;  easier more secure penitration the the hard bones of the lower jaw structure.
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post #4 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-28-2001, 11:29 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hi Nate,
Fred & Texas Spey both talk sense. You can tie tiny little tubes on pieces of electrical flex, my favourite summer seatrout tube is a piece of red electrical flex with a silver rib and a black hair wing two minutes to tie.

Advantages.
1. Slides up line when playing a fish.
2 Tubes can be made of different materials different weights - Plastic lightest Aluminium middle Brass Heavy.
3 You can carry lots of tubes and a few of the expensive hooks.
4You can tie tiny tubes just a piece of plastic with a wisp of hair. or longer ones on Cotton buds with the cotton wool bit cut off. Anesthetic tubing is also good see a previous post here.

Disadvantages,
1 Can sometimes flip over catching on itself. 
2 Tend to be fished with Trebles or at the least doubles never seen a single.
 
Get Fred to tie you some Willie Gunns bound to catch fish

I hope this helps

If you want a cheap and easy attachment to tie tubes just use a big blind single hook. You do not need Fred's expensive kit.

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post #5 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-29-2001, 03:28 AM Thread Starter
 
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I would echo everything said above but would highlight the hooking/landing ratio mentioned by texasspey. Here in BC where law prevents anything but single barbless hooks on steelhead waters we have noticed a pronounced jump in our ability to hold onto fish since we've switched to tube flies.The difference seems to be the short-shanked hooks; also the style of hook seems to matter to a degree--some models seem to hang onto fish better than others. This, along with the fact that you can change a damaged hook rather than chucking a whole fly has been the major advantage to me.
 
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Sigh ........
 
Malcom, behave yourself! (Actually Nate he's got me on this one.) My first tube flys (pre-Christmas gift) were tied using different sized fininshing nails for mandrels. Not as "classy" as the "tool," but didn't cost $50 bucks either. Damn! Hope Joan doesn't see this or it's 'wood shed time' for Moi.
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post #7 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-29-2001, 05:52 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: J.R. SPEYDate: 12/29/2001 1:52 AM
Willie,

Only the Europeans seem to use trebles on their tubes. Have never seen it North America or in places like Iceland when fishing with North Americans (though I'm sure some do.) The Loop Double Tube hook is expensive but is the best I've found. They are available here In North America even if your Loop dealer doesn't stock them. Ask the shop to order some. Sizes 2-8 with smaller ones coming this year. For singles we use what Partridge calls their MM3ST Nordic Single Tube Fly hook. Super short shank, and nice bend. We've found them available for less money at some general sporting goods stores labeled as carp hooks. Same hook, up to 30% less money. Size 2-8. My guides in Iceland always wanted to have me use a treble, but I refused and reminded them of who was paying the freight when they got stubborn.
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post #8 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-29-2001, 10:33 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hi J R Spey,
I have been tying some Collie Dogs with Yak this afternoon. I have been using Waddington but due to the length of the wing 10-12"  I do not want to put the usual treble on.
 
Do you use Waddingtons with singles ?
Which hook do you use ?
 
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post #9 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-30-2001, 04:27 AM Thread Starter
 
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Doc, just 'gotta ask. What does your 'pooch' think of you cutting  wads off her pelt just so you can go fishing?  Actually, when I read what the history of the fly was, the name stands to reason. But Sheeba is now a bit on edge; notice she never takes her eyes off me when I'm at the bench armed with a small pair of scissors.
 
 
Smart dog.
 
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post #10 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-30-2001, 05:48 AM Thread Starter
 
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Willie,

I've never tied on Waddingtons and I've never fished them either. Fact is, I can't say I've ever seen anyone using them. They must be a European and English thing, though American books have occasionally mentioned them.

For fishing purposes, we tie our Collie Dogs on aluminum tubes so all one has to do is tie on the hair (I use saltwater goat) and install the hookkeeper. A nicely buffed aluminum tube looks a lot like carefully wrapped tinsel. And yes, I know no goats live in saltwater. It has to do with the length of the hair. I just know that some of you were ready to pounce on that one.
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How sad JR .... you think there are 'lurkers' out there???  Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean someones not out to get you.
 
 
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post #12 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-30-2001, 05:50 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hi JR Spey.
The advantage of Waddingtons ( Designed by Richard Waddington) or Broras which are a beefed up version of Waddingtons have advantages and disadvantages over tube flies.
The worry about tube flies is that the front of the tube can get roughened especially the soft brass ones when fishing deep.This can end up abrading the nylon or pinching it.Even having the plastic inserts does not cure the problem.
 
The biggest downer with Waddington type shanks is the cost of the hooks. You can carry many tube flies and just a handful of hooks.
 
How long is the hair of your saltwater goats. Yak is very long but a bit thick.
 
Fred all the local dogs head off at thr sight of me weilding scissors.
 
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post #13 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-30-2001, 06:53 PM Thread Starter
 
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Fred,
you do not have to pay $50 for a tube tying tool.  www.huntersangling.com has one for $19.95 under vices and tool sets, and www.spartonfly.co.uk hasss one that they are very proud of for 9.95 pounds.  They should refund you 15% for VAT, shich should offset any shipping.  Should you go with the later, I would appreciate a report on it.
 
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Hi John: I have been tying tube flies for years on an even simpler and cheaper tube holder. I simply select a short length of stainless wire which is a close fit inside the tube ,put a slight kink in the wire and place the end in the jaws of the vice.When you slide the tube onto the wire the kink tightens it tube on the wire so that there is no slip. Its Cheap and it works.
 L A Smithers aka Coot
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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post #15 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-31-2001, 02:55 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Willie GunnDate: 12/30/2001 10:55 PM
Hi
To get a better picture of Waddingtons Fred has dug out this link
 
Thanks Fred.
 
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