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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 04-15-2000, 07:47 AM Thread Starter
 
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Almost all of the discussions so far posted concern Sage and Scot rods.  Doesn't anyone use T&T rods?  They have some powerful people in their advertisements saying that they are the greatest?  Their new 5 peice 10 weight is backordered for months.  Are only the dealers buying them?
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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 04-15-2000, 10:41 AM Thread Starter
 
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regarding t & t rods:

fit, finish, components: first rate.
warranty work: very poor
availability: so-so

action tends to be quite fast, very stiff in the butt, relatively weak tip sections. generally do not handle change of direction casts very well. can cast long lines with tight loops, but quite unforgiving (due to combination of stiffer than usual butt section and weak tip). good for teaching and demonstrations due to tight loops, especially with floating lines. they cast overhead pretty well. actin is on the fast side of "european", definitely not traditional "spey".

Simon Gawesorth is a great spey caster, and an awesome single handed caster (he invented the spiral, or snake roll cast). he has been a T & T advocate for some time. notice, however, how high he finishes his dpey casts, and also note how wide his movements are. this is generally necessary when casting a fast rod.

the best T & T rod i have cast is the 15 foot 9 weight. i have two: the 14 foot 9 weight, and the 15 foot 10 weight. i cant say that either are my preferred rods for fishing; the 14 foot 9 weight is a bit squirrely, and the 15 foot 10 weight is thick butted, stiff beastie, requiring up weighting of line... could qualify as an 11 weight in comparison to other 10 weights. very tiring over the course of a long day casting.

if you like european style casting, prefer a faster rod for slinging shooting heads, or are and accomplished spey caster, you may find the T & T's to your liking. They are not friendly to beginners or intermediate spey casters.
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post #3 of 9 (permalink) Old 04-18-2000, 02:26 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hello,

I use T&T a lot. Actually the 16' is the best big river rod I have owned.

I think Bubba's thoughts were good. These are fast rods, especially if one sticks to the rated line weights. I find that up stepping one line class is what it takes to get the best out of them. The 14'/9 becomes a great rod when fished with a 10 weight - then the butt really starts to work and the behavior of the rod gets to be much calmer. I like it a lot for floating line.

On the 16' a line like the heaviest Accelerator, or a 50' head of DT13 works best. On a good day I can get that rig to fly close to 50 yards (given that the shooting line not tangles...)

I will get a 15-five piece shortly. Hopefully I can fish it on the Aberdeenshire Dee already next week. If not, for sure in Russia when I go there in June. I will let you know how it feels.

Per

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post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old 04-18-2000, 05:45 AM Thread Starter
 
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Per's comments are bang on, thank you. I was wondering if Per could elaborate on whether he predominately shoots line, casting shooting heads with the T & T's, or whther he prefers to "carry" line without shooting. I too have found the T & T's to be quite powerful, and fish the 14'9" with a "10" weight line comfortably to 110 feet of line, but it seems to have difficulty with directional changes (e.g. snake/spiral roll, circle cast, reverse spiral roll) beyond about 95 of line; it casts the single spey like a rocket. still stiff in the butt, and light in the tip i think for carrying a long line.

The 15' 10 weight seems to really require a line i would normally classify as a true 11 weight; again same issues with carrying long lines. shooting belly 110-130 feet is quite easy, if the timing is right, but then again, i'm using extremely long continuous front taper lines of about 105-115 feet, hence my query regarding the use of shooting heads?...

per, do you feel you compromise mending and subtle line control (e.g. fishing classic greased line technique as described by a.h.e. wood) when shooting line beyond 35 yards? i have never been able to mend and control my fly in a satisfactory manner through complex current seams using a shooting head (hence the really long belly long front taper lines), although when it gets windy (especially in your face), and i'm fishing with heavy tips, the underhand throw and shooting line is often the only way to go...
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Hello Bubba,

Mending - Dana knows all about me and this dear topic..... I have developed a way were I can control my heads also on a far distance. Last year Dana and I had "the great mending Debate" on the B. board, a fight which established a friendship, I think.

The problem is that it is about as hopeless to describe in words as Speycasting is. On Sunday when I go to the Dee (speaking of Woods I actually am fishing the beat opposite Cairnton!) I will ask my friends to take some photos (possibly also a video tape) of me when mending.

My favorite way to fish is to cast almost square and to put a deep mend into the head at the very moment it lands. Then the light running line can be hold clear and the head fishes like a float far out. A long cast which is square to to the bank means that one can fish what I call the "outer lane", an area normally reserved for the spin guys.

I was brought up fishing cheap ticket water in Norway - competition was bone hard. To catch fish one had to cast very far or fish tiny pockets between the proper pools. I learned a bit, but gosh I still have much to pick up!!

I will try to post photos here when I get back from Scotland.

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post #6 of 9 (permalink) Old 04-19-2000, 04:39 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hey Bubba et all,

I'm looking to line my 15' 10wt T&T (yes it is a Stiff Beast) with a Rio Accelerator and am wondering if the 10/11 or the 11/12 is a better fit.

Anybody out there tried this rod with either combination, I'd be very interested in your observations.

Thanks,

Brian

 

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post #7 of 9 (permalink) Old 04-20-2000, 02:08 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hello,

I have used a 11/12 on the 15'. It copes well with that weight and becomes a more subtle tool in the process.

Again, casting is a personal thing. If you have the chance to borrow one of each I recommend that you try them both.

My favorite line fro that rod is a TT 11/12 "Spey" or my dear shooting heads in 45'/11#. (Airflo's new heads are real rockets!)

Per

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post #8 of 9 (permalink) Old 04-20-2000, 03:14 AM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks Per, I was thinking the same thing after hearing your and Bubba's comments.  I'm a fan of the TT Spey lines too - absolutely love the 8/9 on my 8150.  Just wanted to try the Accelerator and decided the T&T 15' 10wt would be the best candidate. 
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post #9 of 9 (permalink) Old 04-25-2000, 02:21 AM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks Per - bought the 11/12 TT Spey and finally found the line to load that rod. 
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