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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-01-2001, 07:16 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Fred EvansDate: 12/1/2001 3:16 AM
Ok, it's winter (or as close as we're going to get at the moment, and it will get closer for the next few months).
 
Choice of "searching patterns."
 
Low water:   
 
High water:
 
Coloured water:
 
Your choice of line combinations and fly patterns for each of the above
 
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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-01-2001, 09:00 AM Thread Starter
 
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Well the river must be froze over down at Medford. Ol Fred is a fishin on the internet. (G)
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post #3 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-01-2001, 09:27 AM Thread Starter
 
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Well, no where frozen over yet by a long shot. But cold, windy, more rain than we've seen in the past 6 months, snow on the mountains around us like it was going out of style  (and the Good Lord knows we need all we can get). For all we get, we're getting into the 'between seasons' doldurms (sp?).
 
Will be a month or more before any winter steelhead get up to us (Medford is about 130 miles up-stream from the mouth of the Rogue) so it's, it's, it's boring as hell. Wife-type says "I think I know you .... your .... my husband????" Well, she knew what she was getting into when we married more than a few year back. But the good thing is she knows I'm on the river, cell phone in pocket, no dark bars and 'ladies of questionable repute.' Heck, at my age, I'm not sure what I'd do if I were "propositioned." Ego would say "cool" .... the rest .... only if I was willing to give up everything I've already got. Give up Joan, NO CHANCE.
 
Life, and the wife, is good.
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post #4 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-01-2001, 09:28 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hello Fred, I enjoy your posts and enjoyed meeting you at the Sandy Spey Clave last year.  My line/fly strategy for winter steelhead will be to use my Windcutter with the 15' 150 grain, Type 6 sink tip.  For the fresh fish I'll be using big and bright.  1 1/2" and 2" tubes with bright spun marabou.  As the season progresses I'll be switching over to darker patterns.
 
In these high water conditions I'll mostly be using shorter sink tips so I can cover the soft shallow water in close.  On the other hand, I'll probably break out the Rio 24' 400 grain Big Boy for a couple of runs where I think the fish will be still be laying in their regular spots.
 
How about you?  Do many people swing tips on the Rogue or do you see more yardicator type of fishing?  I fished the Rogue a few years ago in Sept. and everyone was nymping.
 
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post #5 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-01-2001, 10:31 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hi Fred
This is what I had in mind when I started the discussion on "Winter Steelhead and Flies".
My hope was to have some of the more experianced Spey roders share information on Flies, and
Fishing situations. My own experience with a Spey rod is limited, but let me tell what just happened.
I've been fishing the Lower Grand (Ontario Canada) this fall, the water has been getting lower and clearer each trip out.
Because I've spent many years chasing  Steelhead with nymphs, and yarn flies. My thinking was the clearer the river get's
the smaller my Spey Flies needed to be. It just so happened that I've been reading Greased line Fishing for Salmon
By Jock Scott. I had just read the Chapter on cold water fishing and sunk lines prior to headig to the river.
A few days before this, I had tye'd up some small March Brown Spey's size 6 ( again thinking small flies, clear water)
Anyways on my trip up to the river I started thinking about this Chapter, I convinced myself to start with a large Spey Fly,
My first pass through the pool took a small Jack Steely, the 2/0 looked rather large in it's mouth, but I knew I was on to something.
On my next three passes I hooked and landed two more larger Steelies (30-32") and lost one.
As mentioned the fly was a 2/0 Black and Purple Spey. The river is now in flood with having 4 days of rain, hopefuly
I'll be able to do more research later next week.
Conditions at time of fishing : Low, clear, water temp. 40.
Fished: from the head to the tail-out, fish were in the tail-out (deep) 
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post #6 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-02-2001, 02:12 AM Thread Starter
 
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To GB Skunk
What is your recipe for the bright tube flies? 
Thansk JFK
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post #7 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-02-2001, 07:41 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hi there,this question is for GB Skunk,you say you will probably break out the Rio 24' 400 grain Big Boy for a couple of runs, can you give me some more info on how you fish the Big Boy ?, What wt rods do you use?.what size line you attach it to? how does it cast and fish? what kind of runs are you fishing with it. I have been thinking of getting one to try but i have not talked to any one who has used one, any info would help,thanks in advance,tight lines,brian
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post #8 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-02-2001, 08:22 AM Thread Starter
 
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I've also  'gotta go on the 'big boy' question. Looked at these lines and I'm a blank on the idea of 'dropping the dime.' Never seen one, so zero opinion on their effectiveness and the conditions under which you'd use same.
 
Like the idea of going to the bigger flys to see if I can get someones attention. Most of the time the Rogue fly guys are using 2 X 8's to 4's for the biggest look throughout the winter season. But if you're 'blanking' .......
 
Out in the garage  a few minutes ago re-rigging for winter fishing; think I'll go 're-re-rig.'
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post #9 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-02-2001, 08:28 AM Thread Starter
 
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Nuts! Forgot to ask: Where can you look up instructions on building winter fishing tube flys? Have one that was given to me as a 'test' fly but zero idea on how to rig or tie, for that matter, additional ones. Do you weight these, or use them 'a natural?'
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post #11 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-02-2001, 08:47 AM Thread Starter
 
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I use tube flies like the ones showed in MJC's post above at flyfishusa.com   I like the plastic tubes cause the hook goes into the tube itself.  I use the heavy brass when I want to get down and then I have to use the flex tubing with it.
 
I got the Rio Big Boy because I used to fish Teeny lines with single handed rods. (before I saw the light!)  I wish I'd bought the 300 grain version instead of the 400 grain.  I'd probably use it more often.  The 400 gets down!  I can only think of a couple runs where I've used it.  Most of time if I want to get just a little deeper I'll put on a 190 grain, 15' type 6 tip.  I may fish a 3' leader and unweighted fly or.. a 6' leader and a weighted fly.
 
With the Big Boy 400 I'll use a 10/11/12 WC and remove the middle floating section.
 
Anyone out there use the 300 grain Big Boy?
 
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Steelheader99 I use a 15' 10 wt. for this setup.  I just swing it....down and across. 
 
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post #13 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-03-2001, 04:24 PM Thread Starter
 
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Many thanks for the tube fly sites. I'd completly forgotten that Mark B has them in his shop in Welchs, Or. Will give him a call today and drop a few dimes and have some up and ready to go.
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post #14 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-04-2001, 07:19 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hi Fred, Try this book, Dry Line Steelhead and Other Subjects by Bill McMillan. There are patterns and methods for catching during the four seasons of a year.
Have a basic set up that we use all winter long, 13-15' of type 6 8wt. Cortland sinking line. Adjust dept by chaning to flies tied on heaver hooks. Normal fly is a Winters Hope tied on a 3-5/0 hook.
Good luck
Leroy...................
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post #15 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-05-2001, 06:21 AM Thread Starter
 
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Originator: Fred EvansDate: 12/5/2001 2:21 AM
Gad I hate typo's. Do we have an "edit" feature???
 
Double darn! Have the book and never thought to look. In the line of books has anyone have a glimmer if Trey will update his original? It's about as close to a flyfishing 'Bible' as we've got. Others have added ... but they're just add on's to the original.
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