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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 07-01-2001, 12:46 PM Thread Starter
 
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I could use some advice as to how to avoid impending injury to my head~~! Both double spey and snap-T casts with 15' of 8 wt. type 6 and lead-eye leeches often send the fly flinging up from behind me and over my head, instead of off to one side, and at times the fly is precariously close to my ear, whizzin' on by... and scary. I've taken to ducking - this ain't right!

Any suggestions for modifying my casting stroke to keep the fly clearly downstream of my head and body on the double speys, and upstream of my head and body on the snap-T's ... or should I even be trying to mess with such heavy stuff using a 7136? Is this problem symptomatic of too much weight for too little rod? To correct this I've unsuccessfully tried to make sure that the fly is sufficiently away from my body before starting the forward stroke, and tilting the rod out more away from me, but the fly is often traveling up and over me from behind. scary . (again) its the newer 7136.

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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old 07-02-2001, 12:56 AM Thread Starter
 
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           What line are you using to launch your tips and wieghted flies? I have used short belly shooting heads with 9 and 10wt tips and wieghted rabbit strip flies on my old 7136 without to much difficulty, some would consider this insane but the rod will handle it fine. keeping a very short leader helped in keeping the fly on track, as well as opening up the casting stroke a bit. Also keeping your anchor point away from you I think is important with this system or your your gonna get hit. hope this helps?
 
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post #3 of 7 (permalink) Old 07-02-2001, 02:49 AM Thread Starter
 
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Brian,

Thanks for the input. The base line that I am using is a chopped TT Spey 8/9 (45' remains) backed by 10 wt floating line (15' of that) to running line. This gives me 60' of belly, and I attach tips to that. The TT Spey is looped at the thickness of a #8 floating line, so I'm attaching #8 tips to that - perhaps I should take another few feet off the TT to give more turnover? I'm trying to cast 45 - 60' belly + another 15' of tips outside the rod tip without shooting- this gives me ideal length for my waters, but perhaps is too much for the rod? What length belly do you cast?

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post #4 of 7 (permalink) Old 07-02-2001, 06:37 AM Thread Starter
 
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It sounds to me like you are applying too much power on the final part of the stroke. This is causing the anchor (fly) to come unglued, the result being the fly comes whizzing back past your ear, then reverses itself and comes whizzing past your ear again, this time from behind. The more it happens, the more frustrated you become and you try to compensate by applying still more power. SLOW DOWN GODZILLA! Try appling less power, like less and less until the fly will no longer come out of the water. Of course that is not enough to make the cast, but at least now you know to apply just a bit more power. And only a little bit more.  Hope this helps.
 
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post #5 of 7 (permalink) Old 07-02-2001, 11:05 AM Thread Starter
 
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         How does this setup cast without wieghted flies?Does the rod seem bogged down or can it cast it comfortably, things can change a lot with heavily wieghted flies the added wieght might be to much for the rod but you will have to be the judge of that. As JD said slowing down will help more than anything, try that before you go cutting your line back. As to the question of line length the midspey fills my need for a sinktip line it will cast an easy 70 to 75' with out shooting line and if I need the distance shooting an extra rods length or so is no problem I don't mind stripping in 15' of line.
 
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post #6 of 7 (permalink) Old 07-04-2001, 02:48 AM Thread Starter
 
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No, not bogged down - just fine with a dry line. It seems that the weighted fly and sink tip together provide so much "stick" on the water surface that I have to use excessive force to liberate them on the forward cast of snap-T's and double speys. The stick seems more pronounced on longer casts, perhaps because of the longer set-up time with more line out allows the business end to just sink below the surface? It then has to be yanked out on the forward cast, and that's where it gets ugly. The sticking starts with about 65' (line + sink tip) beyond the rod tip top. Up to that distance turnover is bee-u-tee-ful, with a nice kerplop as the artic. leech settles down. Practice, pratice, pratice. ...
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post #7 of 7 (permalink) Old 07-05-2001, 02:54 AM Thread Starter
 
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65' of line beyond the rod tip is nothing to be ashamed of for sinktips & heavy flies on a 7136. I think you have correctly identified the problem as the longer setup time with more line out allowing the business end time to sink below the surface. Try to minimise the setup time that the tip and fly have to sink below the surface. That way you do not have to apply excessive power to make the cast and you run less of a risk of pulling the anchor and hurting yourself. So it is really just timing. Do not dilly dally on the setup, but also do not confuse  a speedy cast with excessive power on the final stroke. If you pull the anchor, you have used too much power.
 
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