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Lightsaber!?!

Anyone try the new sage method 7126 that has been coined the light saber by deneki? Does my deathstar need a friend?!?
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Two rods in the same weight and length class? Seems redundant to me (a "spare" notwithstanding), but that's just me. Now if one was a 12'6" 7wt bamboo spey rod, ...

For me, the glass is neither half-empty nor half-full, but rather twice as big as it needs to be.
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I've learned my lesson a few times, a little fat and a little clumsy=always have a spare rod, waders and change of clothes in the car
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I have owned and fished the 7126 TCX Death Star since its introduction.

Last week I had the opportunity to test cast the new 7126 Method,,,, no comparison. The Method is smooth and a very nice casting rod however, no match for the Death Star.

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Good to know, almost 1k for a rod is a hard nut to swallow. Love my deathstar too, guess ill have to buy another on sale right now for a back up.
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Fished it for a week in BC. Much better rod than the TCX IMO, retians the authority of the TCX while actually being a 7 weight. Much friendlier. 525-550 and 480--510 scandi worked very well.

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Fished it for a week in BC. Much better rod than the TCX IMO, retians the authority of the TCX while actually being a 7 weight. Much friendlier. 525-55 skagit and 480--510 scandi worked very well.
Does this mean you think the TCX is not actually a 7 weight? I have heard others allude to this as well.

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[QUOTE=SkagitMiester;501463]Does this mean you think the TCX is not actually a 7 weight? I have heard others allude to this as well.[/QUOTE
I was pretty shocked after casting the TCX and them labeling it a 7wt. I would consider it a 8/9 in my book.
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Does this mean you think the TCX is not actually a 7 weight? I have heard others allude to this as well.[/QUOTE
I was pretty shocked after casting the TCX and them labeling it a 7wt. I would consider it a 8/9 in my book.
This is the thing that puzzles me. The Sage TCX 7126 is advertised and considered a "fast action rod."

So, you "overline" it, slow it down and suddenly everything the designer intended goes out the window. At which point how is the Deathstar any better than nine out of ten of other, slower action 8wts? Like the Z-Axis 8129?

Is it going to perform as well with an 8wt as with a 7wt? Does the "fast action" that was intended, mean anything at all at that point? Wouldn't an 8wt rod that was designed to be slower action, and designed to throw an 8wt, be a better choice?

I don't mean to dispute or challenge anyone here...I don't have enough experience with a wide range of rods to know or speak with any authority...but why buy a fast action rod and then slow it down by overlining it? I don't get it.

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My TCX casts the same line as my Beulah Classic 12'7-7/8. 450 Compact scandi, 460-6wt Tactical steelhead, 510 Skagit compact, 530 gr Spey Evolution... I could not imagine trying to bog it down with more mass but than again rod feel & load is a personal preference.
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Different strokes and all that. I like a pretty light load and I thought the Deathstar was money with a 525 skagit. I also used a 510 and liked that.

I often wonder why it matters to casters whether a rod is a 7wt or an 8wt. I don't think the fish gives a rat's behind. Is a 7 more sporting then an 8? I think for many fish it's more damaging, but then we're back to the different strokes deal.

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Different strokes and all that. I like a pretty light load and I thought the Deathstar was money with a 525 skagit. I also used a 510 and liked that.

I often wonder why it matters to casters whether a rod is a 7wt or an 8wt.
I suspect it's because we're looking for some sort of "standard" or benchmark or optimum that we can rely on...maybe eliminate as a factor as to why we aren't all jedi.

As someone still in the learning stages, I want to think that the engineer who designed the taper knew what he was doing...so I don't have to second guess him. That way I can concentrate on what I'm doing wrong and not whether a heavier line or a different action would cast better. I know that there is such a thing as a grain window but somehow I've got to believe that there is "method to the madness", so to speak. I've got to believe that the engineer had something in mind.

I guess I'm hard headed or "just a dumb shoemaker" but in my mind even if you can drive a screw with a hammer, it doesn't mean you should.

That said, I wonder...don't think I've ever seen it quantified...what grain window comprises a 7wt and what comprises and 8wt?

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I suspect it's because we're looking for some sort of "standard" or benchmark or optimum that we can rely on...maybe eliminate as a factor as to why we aren't all jedi.
I wish you well on your journey. You certainly aren't the first to seek a standard and you won't be the last, but after using two handers for 16yrs and selling them for 11yrs I'll say your search for the magic standard will be mostly fruitless in the end. You may well find the standard for "you" but your standard will not work for everyone. There are just to many variables between casters.


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I will add this. The engineers do have something in mind, but since they are humans like the rest of us it's not always the same something.
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This is the thing that puzzles me. The Sage TCX 7126 is advertised and considered a "fast action rod."

So, you "overline" it, slow it down and suddenly everything the designer intended goes out the window. At which point how is the Deathstar any better than nine out of ten of other, slower action 8wts? Like the Z-Axis 8129?

Is it going to perform as well with an 8wt as with a 7wt? Does the "fast action" that was intended, mean anything at all at that point? Wouldn't an 8wt rod that was designed to be slower action, and designed to throw an 8wt, be a better choice?

I don't mean to dispute or challenge anyone here...I don't have enough experience with a wide range of rods to know or speak with any authority...but why buy a fast action rod and then slow it down by overlining it? I don't get it.

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what makes a 2 hander a 7 or 8 anyway ? ive never seen a 500 gr head labeled 7 or 8wt. i think the deathstar is a fast action rod whether you throw a 480 scand or a 575 skagit.

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