Anyone try the new sage method 7126 that has been coined the light saber by deneki? Does my deathstar need a friend?!?
Does this mean you think the TCX is not actually a 7 weight? I have heard others allude to this as well.Fished it for a week in BC. Much better rod than the TCX IMO, retians the authority of the TCX while actually being a 7 weight. Much friendlier. 525-55 skagit and 480--510 scandi worked very well.
I suspect it's because we're looking for some sort of "standard" or benchmark or optimum that we can rely on...maybe eliminate as a factor as to why we aren't all jedi.Different strokes and all that. I like a pretty light load and I thought the Deathstar was money with a 525 skagit. I also used a 510 and liked that.
I often wonder why it matters to casters whether a rod is a 7wt or an 8wt.
I wish you well on your journey. You certainly aren't the first to seek a standard and you won't be the last, but after using two handers for 16yrs and selling them for 11yrs I'll say your search for the magic standard will be mostly fruitless in the end. You may well find the standard for "you" but your standard will not work for everyone. There are just to many variables between casters.I suspect it's because we're looking for some sort of "standard" or benchmark or optimum that we can rely on...maybe eliminate as a factor as to why we aren't all jedi.
I will add this. The engineers do have something in mind, but since they are humans like the rest of us it's not always the same something.I've got to believe that the engineer had something in mind.
I understand and I defer to your expertise and experience in that regard. Maybe I come from a different time frame though--I've been flyfishing exclusively for over 50 years...second season with 2H rods (again, a greenhorn, no doubt)...and when I got into it, if a rod was sold and labeled as a 7wt you could pretty much count on a 7wt line being a good fit. And you didn't have to wonder what 7wt meant or if the engineers really meant 7-1/2wt or a light 8wt or what. So you bought a line and that was it. You focused on your own deficiencies and either learned or went back to bait.I wish you well on your journey. You certainly aren't the first to seek a standard and you won't be the last, but after using two handers for 16yrs and selling them for 11yrs I'll say your search for the magic standard will be mostly fruitless in the end. You may well find the standard for "you" but your standard will not work for everyone. There are just to many variables between casters.
I will add this. The engineers do have something in mind, but since they are humans like the rest of us it's not always the same something.
Not arguing Poppy, but you've a lot more lines to choose from than someone like me has. And if, like me, you're semi-retired you don't have the resources to buy a line, try it and then toss it in the closet. Much less the points to get away with it if SWMBO finds out.DWFII I used to agonize over this subject the same as you seem to be. It leads to nowhere but Maalox. Now I find a line that fits whatever rod I want to fish and go on with my life. After the starting point the numbers can blur but if the line is going out to my satisfaction then that's all that matters.
I think your wise old fisherman was right on the money, but in the good old days that many of us lament as being gone things were pretty much the same just on a smaller scale. We live in a great age for great tackle.A wise old gentleman once told me " All this New Fangled Gear" is designed to catch "Fishermen".
Well I can tell you that the system you describe above works pretty damned good but the part about the tyro having to buy 3 heads is BS as there are many shops that have demo heads available and lots of other places to try lines out for little to nothing in cost.They might as well put a label on the rod that says "Hey! just use what ever feels good"...even if practically speaking the tyro needs to buy at least three different head weights to have any hope of knowing whether the rod will work for him or not. (Did I mention I have some skagit heads for sale...at about half what I paid for them?)
Did you think that was personal?In you case DWFII I offered to send you demo heads on one occasion that I remember and you turned me down.
The fly shop owners can only have as much certainty as befits their personal experience with a given rod/line and that of anglers close to them that they have discussed it with. There is no way in Hell that a fly shop owner, or anyone else for that matter can know how any potential casters from anywhere will want to load the rod. It's not happening now, it wasn't happening 10/12 years ago when some of us discussed this same subject, and I don't think it will happen ever in the way you envision it.Even the flyshop owners don't seem to have any real certainty..
Please forgive me but I'm really not sure what the problem is here.But if everyone has a different stroke and they're all valid and no one line weight can be certain to be perfect for anyone, then why label a rod at all? Or, again, why not just say "do what feels good" and leave it at that?
Why not just come out and say it--"no one really knows"?
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DWFII, Nothing I have written in this discussion has been personal toward you. You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but when you post that the only way for a new caster to get dialed in is to spend a lot of money on heads then you are spreading misinformation, and nothing could be further from the truth.
As to the elephant in the room you are just tilting at windmills. What you are wanting is for a all rod designers to think exactly alike and that ain't going to happen unless all of them go out of business except one.
Thank you. I appreciate that.Nothing personal, ever. Should you ever choose to visit the Clearwater you would be welcome on my porch or at my table (if I have my fly tying mess cleaned up).
We are all looking for the truth about all this two handed stuff and the present discussion has a long history on Spey Pages. My friend SSpey and I plus some others had something like this same discussion many years ago. While there has been some improvement nothing has really changed and if I haven't mentioned it yet I don't think it ever will. There are just to many variables between different rod designers and different casters.
Yes, I did.I would think with the amount of time you spent with single handers you would be aware of the amazing capabilities of graphite. You always cast your single handers with the designated line size?