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Spey line for a Sage GFL 8100 RPLB

I built the above single handed rod years ago and since then have built a butt extension making it into a 10’6” Spey or switch rod.

I have no idea where to start finding a light Spey line for the rod so could use some guidance where to start.

All suggestions welcomed
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Hello.. If you have need for a multitip line, RIO Scandi Short VT #5. Or Loop OptiStream, or Wulff Triangle Taper, or RIO Single Hand Spey for a floater. Yours borano20
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Pick one. Seriously. Virtually every line out there can be spey-cast. And a heavier line is not necessary for spey casting.

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I start with about 300 grains for an 8wt single hand rod that is 9.5 10ft-ish. I would look at the 8wt Wulff Ambush or a shorter 270-300 grain Airflo Scout or OPST Commando Head. I'd go about 30 grains lighter if you are looking Scandi or Rage type lines. I think these will put you in the ballpark. I have an older TnT 6100-3 DH which is 6wt spey rod, but basically a 10ft 8wt and it absolutely loves a Nextcast Coastal in 300 grains. YMMV... Sounds like a fun project rod.
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I don't understand the line weights.

An 8 wt. single handed fly line is 210 gr. for the first 30' so my rod would be designed for that weight.

A Rio Single handed spey WF5F weighs 200 gr for the 33' head which would be about the same.
A Rio single WF8F weighs 300 gr.

Rio Scandi short 2 wt 210 gr.
Rio Scandi short 5 wt. 300 gr.

Can you elaborate for me please?
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I don't understand the line weights.

An 8 wt. single handed fly line is 210 gr. for the first 30' so my rod would be designed for that weight.

A Rio Single handed spey WF5F weighs 200 gr for the 33' head which would be about the same.
A Rio single WF8F weighs 300 gr.

Rio Scandi short 2 wt 210 gr.
Rio Scandi short 5 wt. 300 gr.

Can you elaborate for me please?
What are your questions?

The AFFTA standard weights for single hand lines are set for the first 30 feet of taper although most lines measure 40 to 45 feet. Some lines measure out to 55 feet. There is a range for each weight-class. An 8weight line can range from 202 grains to 218 at 30 feet for example. That is just the industry standard. Some companies also provide the weight of the entire body/head/belly.

A rod will not be without some Reserve Power. In other words a rod will cast a range of line weights: A light-line (within range) for stealthy short distance presentations, and longer/heavier for distance or just heavier (but still within range) for increased power, and any combination of weight mass and length.

Lines for two-handed rods are categorized as heads less than 50 feet, short bellies 50 - 60', mid belly 60 -70' and long bellies.

I have several lines to cast on my 8100RPL.
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I'm not at all a line expert and I end up just basically experimenting until I figure out what I like, but the AFFTA standard weights are for casting a rod overhead and keeping the line in the air. With sustained anchor casts (skagit or single spey etc) I believe that these are somewhat easier to achieve with more grains in the head, (i.e. the Rio Single Hand Spey line is 300 grains). Also your rod is now 10 1/2 feet, not just a 9 footer which I think AFFTA is also based on (I could be wrong) so this increase in length allows you to throw more grains.

Here's one way that I cheat to get a ballpark for lines. OPST has done a good job assessing lines for individual rods. So if I had your 8100 RPL, I'd look on their site and look at the most similar action (medium fast) which I think is the Accel series. They list 275 for a Commando, I'd start there and mess around. If I want a longer line like a Rage or a scandi I'd drop it down to 270 or less, if I want to throw streamers and lightly weighted flies I'd stay shorter and in the 275-300 grain range. If you are hoping to throw mid-bellies and longer lines, I'm not the guy to ask, I'm not there yet. Just explaining my process for lining unique rods, works for me, but it's not an exact science, lining rods never is.
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I'm not at all a line expert and I end up just basically experimenting until I figure out what I like, but the AFFTA standard weights are for casting a rod overhead and keeping the line in the air. With sustained anchor casts (skagit or single spey etc) I believe that these are somewhat easier to achieve with more grains in the head, (i.e. the Rio Single Hand Spey line is 300 grains). Also your rod is now 10 1/2 feet, not just a 9 footer which I think AFFTA is also based on (I could be wrong) so this increase in length allows you to throw more grains.

Here's one way that I cheat to get a ballpark for lines. OPST has done a good job assessing lines for individual rods. So if I had your 8100 RPL, I'd look on their site and look at the most similar action (medium fast) which I think is the Accel series. They list 275 for a Commando, I'd start there and mess around. If I want a longer line like a Rage or a scandi I'd drop it down to 270 or less, if I want to throw streamers and lightly weighted flies I'd stay shorter and in the 275-300 grain range. If you are hoping to throw mid-bellies and longer lines, I'm not the guy to ask, I'm not there yet. Just explaining my process for lining unique rods, works for me, but it's not an exact science, lining rods never is.
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Ill get a 275 gr ish line and go from there.
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I built the above single handed rod years ago and since then have built a butt extension making it into a 106 Spey or switch rod.

I have no idea where to start finding a light Spey line for the rod so could use some guidance where to start.

All suggestions welcomed
When someone mentions "Spey line" to me, I think of traditional belly lines .... not the Scandi and Skagit style shooting heads people mix in with the terminology.

I have a 10ft 8wt Quantum single hand by Steve Godshall and the action reminds me of the Sage RPL's, only much more responsive. When I started to line this rod I started looking through some of my old reels and found a Scientific Anglers Steelhead Taper WF8F. Talk about match made in heaven
I will say the rod required at least 25-30ft of line out of the tip of the rod to start things flowing. After that, shooting rod lengths of line was a breeze. The Steelhead Taper is excellent for those mid to long casts when mending is required and controlling the speed of the swing. I chopped 3ft off of the tip to handle the Rio 10ft Light Scandi Versileaders better, but I also found by doing so, it could handle a longer mono leader better and with better turnover.
I also tried a DT9F and it seemed to do well at short to mid range for me. Once I advanced into longer lengths (over 60ft) the grains just bogged down the rod. The line also handled Rio 10ft Light Scandi Versileaders very well right off of the tip.

I did purchase a #8 Wulff Ambush Head which just flies on the rod. A 300gr OPST Skagit is quite nice as well, but must say my preference is the Ambush head.
Steve Godshall built me an intermediate Skagit head (262gr) for the rod and it too zings like butter and turns over the OPST tips quite easily.

Trying new lines is always fun ... it can get costly though


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Good catch Mike. Lines vs Heads vs Integrated Heads... A lot of us sort of intermix the language. I guess with an 8wt 10ft conversion rod my mind went to heads straight away, but your Steelhead Taper sounds like an awesome match too. Trying out lines, hoping for the perfect setup is part of the fun. Good luck jdcross and do report back on what you're liking.
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I don't understand the line weights.

An 8 wt. single handed fly line is 210 gr. for the first 30' so my rod would be designed for that weight.

A Rio Single handed spey WF5F weighs 200 gr for the 33' head which would be about the same.
A Rio single WF8F weighs 300 gr.

Rio Scandi short 2 wt 210 gr.
Rio Scandi short 5 wt. 300 gr.

Can you elaborate for me please?
I hope this will help.
210 grains 8 weight line, is AFFTA standard, and has little to do with the length of and what weight a rod may or may not have been "designed" to cast.

There will be some lines that might actually match the AFFTA standard 210 grains at 30 - Ive seen plenty - but it is far more likely that the average 8 weight fly-line will be longer than 30 feet, and will fall within a variance (lower and a upper limits ranging from 202 to 218 @ 30 feet, as established by AFFTA. A line touted to cast bigger, bulkier flies, or anything to that effect in the description will have been designed to weigh-in closer to the upper limits.

Heads under 45 feet, like the scandi shorts and skagit heads , are best at shooting, for distance. The 8100 RPL will undoubtedly work well at shooting heads, either spey cast or cast them overhead - and it will work just as well with longer/heavier lines...

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